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The Fighting Thread - Celena - 07-04-2010
Jayd Wrote:That said, Brock won the fight fair and square, but I'm not completely won over. I'd like to see a rematch.
I second that, but it'll have to be after his fight with Cain Velasquez. Brock's weakness is his legs IMO, and Cain is a good wrestler so he'll need to try and make Brock submit.
The Fighting Thread - Mr. Zhu - 07-04-2010
Celena Wrote:I second that, but it'll have to be after his fight with Cain Velasquez. Brock's weakness is his legs IMO, and Cain is a good wrestler so he'll need to try and make Brock submit.
Carwin is also NCAA Div II Champ, so I'm thinking Cain's usual reliance on wrestling is gonna be countered by Brock's wrestling abillity. Striking wise, I definitely give an edge to Cain though.
The Fighting Thread - Pinky - 07-04-2010
Brock thanked the ref and admitted that Carwin totally won the first round. I'd agree that the ref made a good call because title fights do need to go farther than regular matches, but if that had been a regular match Carwin would have taken it easily. I'm sure it wasn't Brock's plan or his corner's plan to just let the other guy wear himself out beating the shit out of him.
Also, I think Carwin should have dragged one of his earlier fights into the second round on purpose, because discovering what the second round is like in a title fight is not a good idea. On top of that, Carwin's corner was busting his balls between rounds on his ground and pound because it was not part of the gameplan. The best way to fight is do to what you trained to do, and Shane is a dirty boxer not a ground pounder.
In the end, I'd still consider Carwin as the #1 heavyweight. I can't think of anyone who can actually stop him when he's fresh, and again: it's not anybody's plan to wear him out by getting their face punched in. He'll rise again, and this time he'll learn to pace himself.
The Fighting Thread - Celena - 07-04-2010
Lesnar shouldn't regard himself as the baddest man on the planet coz even though he won the fight, he still got beat up. Carwin is still the baddest and most dangerous man on the planet, but again, I respect Lesnar for taking a beating.
The Fighting Thread - Pinky - 08-07-2010
UFC 117 tomorrow! Silva vs Sonnen is the main event, but the card is pretty stacked and is looking like it'll be event of the year. I think Sonnen has the best chance of beating Silva out of everybody he's faced so far.
In case anybody hasn't done any research on Sonnen, he's regarded as having the best wrestling in MMA. So, it's the best striker vs the best wrestler. Historically, wrestlers have a definite advantage over strikers, especially strikers who have no wrestling credentials, because the better wrestler tends to dictate the fight. But, Sonnen is weakest against submissions, and Anderson has shown some competence with subs. Also, Sonnen isn't much of a striking artist, hasn't KO'ed anybody in years and never in the UFC, but he's tough to KO.
Chael either wins this by sitting on top of Anderson for five rounds, or Silva dazes him with knees and puts him to sleep.
The Fighting Thread - Pinky - 08-07-2010
http://www.ufc.com/media/UFC_117_Pre_PC
The Fighting Thread - Jesper - 08-07-2010
Oh shit, this is tonight? Awesome.
The Fighting Thread - Sigfried Hunin - 08-08-2010
Woooo it's on sooooon
The Fighting Thread - Pinky - 08-08-2010
http://www.livevss.tv/channel1.html
Currently streaming ESPN, Rashad Evans is there commenting on the upcoming matches.
The Fighting Thread - Pinky - 08-08-2010
almost the entire card is up at mmator
http://www.mmator.com/
the whole thing was great. every match did not fail to entertain
The Fighting Thread - Sigfried Hunin - 08-08-2010
I loved that card last night. Every single match was INSANE
The Fighting Thread - Pinky - 08-28-2010
UFC 118: Edgar vs Penn 2
Tomorrow. Some of the undercard matches will be aired on Spike! beginning at 9pm, most of them look interesting. The main card is full of very good matches, it might be just as good as the last card.
My personal must-watch match is, of course, Couture vs Tony. Jeebus, Tony's boxing really is the best, but historically matches between punching specialists and wrestlers end on the ground with the striker getting pounded or choked out. Couture has years and years of experience in an MMA environment, and Tony has less than one year under an unknown coach... and he's only coming over to MMA to "prove" the superiority of boxing.
I can almost hear the excuses from boxing fans already.
The Fighting Thread - Pinky - 08-29-2010
currently playing marcus davis vs nate diaz
http://www.iraqgoals.tv/ch3.html
The Fighting Thread - Jesper - 08-29-2010
I hate Couture, but I'd be upset if he lost. That'd be a sizable blow to the UFC.
The Fighting Thread - Pinky - 08-29-2010
well, all of the matches so far have proved the point that the superior wrestler dictates the pace, and with the initiative goes the advantage.
The Fighting Thread - Jesper - 08-29-2010
Every boxing enthusiast I've talked to (all both of them) said the same thing: boxers are stronger strikers, and would put any UFC fighter to sleep if they managed to hit them. There are a lot of things wrong with that, of course, but maybe they'll shut up a bit if Couture just beats the shit out of Toney.
The Fighting Thread - Pinky - 08-29-2010
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The Fighting Thread - Mr. Zhu - 09-05-2010
Jayd Wrote:Every boxing enthusiast I've talked to (all both of them) said the same thing: boxers are stronger strikers, and would put any UFC fighter to sleep if they managed to hit them. There are a lot of things wrong with that, of course, but maybe they'll shut up a bit if Couture just beats the shit out of Toney.
I'm a boxing enthusiast because I train in it. Boxers are better technical strikers, because they're focused on one aspect of their entire arsenal of tools, but because they focus on that one tool they'll much more keen on it than an MMA guy. It's just a sense of feeling for the boxers, because the entire rythm and "boxing instint" makes a distinct difference. Simply put, if you're sparring pure boxing with a boxer vs a mixed martial artist, you'll definitely know the difference.
James Toney just ventured into something that he wasn't familiar with and he paid for it. I couldn't see how he would win on paper. As for the Boxing vs UFC debate, I feel like both sports are amazing. UFC is on the rise, Boxing will forever be that part of us where it feels like the one of the first and best recognized combat sport. At the end of the day, they fulfill their purpose if they thrill the audience.
The Fighting Thread - Alura - 09-06-2010
You can't expect to jump into a sport at the top level and win. That's the end of the story. I don't care if you're a world champion boxer - you can't be a world champion MMA overnight. You have to start from the beginning just like you did in boxing.
With that said, what do you guys think on Mir vs Cro Cop and Bader vs Nogeira? I'm a huge Bader fan so I'm going for him, but I'm torn on the main event
The Fighting Thread - Jesper - 09-06-2010
Mr. Zhu Wrote:I'm a boxing enthusiast because I train in it. Boxers are better technical strikers, because they're focused on one aspect of their entire arsenal of tools, but because they focus on that one tool they'll much more keen on it than an MMA guy. It's just a sense of feeling for the boxers, because the entire rythm and "boxing instint" makes a distinct difference. Simply put, if you're sparring pure boxing with a boxer vs a mixed martial artist, you'll definitely know the difference.
James Toney just ventured into something that he wasn't familiar with and he paid for it. I couldn't see how he would win on paper. As for the Boxing vs UFC debate, I feel like both sports are amazing. UFC is on the rise, Boxing will forever be that part of us where it feels like the one of the first and best recognized combat sport. At the end of the day, they fulfill their purpose if they thrill the audience.
I have no trouble conceding that most boxers are better technical strikers than most MMA fighters, but to say that boxers are inherently stronger muscle-wise is to be misinformed, which is the point I was referring to.