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CA in Sagas - Belle Hibiki - 02-26-2010
This was cluttering up the announcement for ASS, so I thought I'd bring it here:
A lot of people don't like CA in sagas, especially competition sagas. They feel as though the fights are almost predetermined, with the real endgame set between a small group of people.
People who support CA often argue that it's not as if we're under the old system where people who had been around the longest were the strongest by default. They've actually earned where they are (or, well, have done so more than in the previous incarnation).
I'm kind of both ways on this because I remember what it was like pre-reset being 40 million PL in a game with titans scraping 200 mil and not really being able to do jack shit about it. Even though I'm high on the list now (#3), I still sympathize.
What do you guys think?
CA in Sagas - Super Buu - 02-26-2010
I think it's nice to have some sagas where power is a factor and others where it's not. Though I'm still of the opinion that CA should have diminishing returns to narrow the gaps.
CA in Sagas - Cain - 02-26-2010
My issue is that people who have written enough to be super powers are good writers, and low CA players have to perform better than the higher CA to win. I love it and I hate it because it forces people to perform.
CA in Sagas - Kaden - 02-26-2010
The old system was screwed up, there's no arguing that, and I think it puts a negative tone to the whole idea.
With CA, you only have it if you've earned it. While this is about Role-Playing, it's still a game. If person A plays a game more than person B, they'll probably be "better" at it.
Is it unfair? Not to me. The people who are at the advantage have put in the effort to get there. If someone think it's unfair, they're welcome to match the effort of others.
Obviously, real-life and priorities can get in the way of that, but if it's not as important to one person as it is to another, why bother complaining?
CA in Sagas - Kill Town - 02-26-2010
Like I've said before, I hate it and wish it wasn't, you know...there, but at the same time, since we have it, it should actually mean something. Let's be honest: the dragonball fight was an anomaly, and it won't happen very often. PvP fights outside of sagas just don't happen very often in general. Sagas are the only place in which CA actually matters, for the most part, and looking at it purely from a player's standpoint, it's not very cool that it's always taken out of the game.
Looking at it from a saga runner's point of view, however, makes me somewhat of a hypocrite. I want to see as many good fights as possible, and it's just not...well, possible to divvy up PvP events fairly without putting the powerful people in one bracket and the rest in another. Watching Kaden beat the shit out of, like, Mirabelle does not make for a good read.
As far as KT goes, there are going to be moments where I have to do something about the CA difference, otherwise it ruins the event. It sucks, but that's just the way it goes.
CA in Sagas - Kaden - 02-26-2010
Kill Town Wrote:As far as KT goes, there are going to be moments where I have to do something about the CA difference, otherwise it ruins the event. It sucks, but that's just the way it goes.
As a player, I really don't have a problem with something like that. There are times where leveling the strengths of the competitors makes things more enjoyable all around.
Doing it all the time every time, however, is queer-tastic.
CA in Sagas - Kaden - 02-26-2010
Cain Wrote:a competition shouldn't be about rank earned, but instead, about writing.
Depends on how you view the RPG.
I would argue that the "ranks" people have earned, they've earned through writing. Why is that writing suddenly worthless?
CA in Sagas - Cain - 02-26-2010
It's not worthless in the scenario mentioned because those who have written enough to earn those ranks should already, in theory, out-perform those who are lower ranked. Therefore, once in a while, forcing them to compete on an even level strengthens both party's in the end. The higher ranked players already get prestige in both being what they are and as driving forces in sagas.
CA in Sagas - Victoria - 02-26-2010
Technically CA equates to quantity, not quality. This would mean that someone is a very poor writer, but has put in a lot of that poor writing enough to ascend the ranks of CA. I'm not saying that those high on the list are bad writers, but that top CA does not equal best writer.
This is why writing vs writing is good competitively, that would give the underdogs who are great writers but not as active due to work/life the chance to prove themselves.
Now if we had a way to make CA reflect a persons quality of writing that would be something. From what I've seen in forum RPGs its about the talent, not the amount. You can write 3000 words a post and still have no talent, no one will want to read 3000 words that make no sense or are boring or not properly structured.
I hope I'm making sense...I usually stay out of these kinds of topics
CA in Sagas - Tyr - 02-26-2010
I don't see a reason why there can't be both sagas counting CA and ones that cannot. Personally I just think the ones counting CA should be more grave and should be rewarded as being grave, a reward for all the time spent not writing in sagas but merely evolving your character, so that you can duke it out with other characters who've also evolved their characters beyond others.
That's just my opinion anyway. Kaden's points are pretty much the same as mine.
EDIT: Just to reflect on Victoria's post, I feel it's important that while of course quality > quantity, quantity should matter. A person new to writing should, in my opinion, be welcome to duke it out with some of the great writers if he just tries hard (writes much but maybe not as good quality). Of course, I'm talking genuinely trying, not making sentences like 'cats are nice' 5000 times.
CA in Sagas - Kill Town - 02-26-2010
The problem is that the only reason that anyone wants to climb the CA rankings is to be able to topple other people in fights. If fights normally only happen in sagas, and the edge that you worked so hard to attain is always taken away during such fights, then why even bother with it? I understand the problems that come with it, but there are problems on both sides.
CA in Sagas - Tyr - 02-26-2010
I suggest having two kind of sagas then, one with CA excluded or at least not minded a lot to with more interesting, original 'fun loving' concepts and one with CA included with a more grave theme granting bigger rewards than the prior.
It's not like people can't just decide to duke it out privately instead of in major events anyway, I thought if someone really wanted to they could just chase another person to the end of days till they got their 'till death' fight (with in reason ofc).
CA in Sagas - Victoria - 02-26-2010
I agree, I just don't agree with the statement that someone with top CA is bound to be a great writer, because that may not be true. If someone like with low CA but excellent writing skill fought someone with high CA but sub-par skill, then I think that writing quality should also come to play.
I do know that activity and effort are a big part of staying a head in the game, I get it, but there are a lot of talented writers here that don't have high CA.
I also agree that if a competitive saga includes CA, then low levels will likely never join, unless maybe they are told that writing would aid their chances as well.
CA in Sagas - Belle Hibiki - 02-26-2010
On quality vs. quantity, while it's technically true that it's possible for someone to get really high with shit-posting, I don't think that's ever actually happened here.
People made a lot of bleating on the very same subject around the time of the reset, making dire predictions that terribads would flood the boards and grind up XP to be top dogs, but look at the people at the top of the CA list right now: most would say they're among the better writers on the site.
Also, quality is absolutely factored in Fights. I believe that's explicitly stated in our rules. And it's been a major part of grading, even in Sagas where CA has been allowed.
CA in Sagas - Vad - 02-26-2010
I honestly can't see what the problem is. I look at this from Vad's perspective, not my own.
In my eyes I go "oh fuck" when I see Kaden's CA, but Vad wouldn't give two shits, so why should I?
Whether or not someone is stronger than Vad, he's still going to be the same person. I look forward to dying many times in the next few years.
This is my take on it.
CA in Sagas - Victoria - 02-26-2010
I'm joining any sagas, regardless of power. It's all about fun when it gets down to it and thats what I want.
CA in Sagas - Sage - 02-26-2010
I would prefer a mix, as well.
Maybe some PvE sagas where there'd be a heavier focus on CA than the PvP stuff. I can understand why a guy who joined yesterday wouldn't want to fight Belle if CA was a factor.
That said, quality always trumps CA, regardless of the format, so it is a little bit less... dire, I think, than some people believe. But, I could be wrong.
CA in Sagas - Orion - 02-26-2010
Vad Wrote:I honestly can't see what the problem is. I look at this from Vad's perspective, not my own.
I've never really thought of it like that, and I can honestly say that is the best way to deal with it.
CA in Sagas - Mal Nova - 02-26-2010
Though my opinion probably doesn't count, I'm going to have to disagree with some and agree with others
CA isn't gonna stop me from going up against anyone =D
CA in Sagas - Celena - 02-26-2010
My stance is that CA shouldn't come into play in competition saga's whereas it should in storyline sagas.