[LoM] Aftermath

[Jarka]

Not that I think anyone cheated, but the luck involved in this game was ridiculous. I've never seen a game where the only people lynched were mafia. Hell, even Rose picked correctly with his munch ability. It was really demoralizing to be Mafia when everyone knew from day 3 exactly who they were gonna vote for...

Also, Jarka's logic of "oh they didn't vote before the first 10 so they must be mafia" was pretty crappy logic. And of course Kami had to list damn near everyone not Mafia on his suspicion list and leave us off it... I tried to distance myself from the others pretty much the whole game, but you see how well that worked.

Pretty crappy logic where I pinpointed both you and Vad on day four? Yeah, that logic was totes sucky. It's not about just the vote order, it was piecing together voting patterns and forum behavior, and I didn't reveal every hint I encountered. It's all a big puzzle to solve. I'm like the Professor Layton of mafia, bitches.

[Mal Nova]

No one even tells TF he did good for his first time.. .FTW! lol

[Celena]

Best mafia so far.

[Kole T. Merr]

Please don't complain about the mafia not having any advantages. Just the sheer numbers were an advantage. If I'm looking correctly, the game started with 5 mafia, and the ability to create a 6th with Morde?

Usually the ratio is about 1:6 mafia:townie, but this game it was closer to 1:3.

[Super Buu]

A major advantage was that everyone in the town had a power that they could reveal for some credibility, and the mafia powers were pretty mafiaesque.

[John Doe]

BRO BRO BROOOOOOOOOO~

I'm thinking I should stop making myself into a target for the mafs.

[Kaden]

Pretty crappy logic where I pinpointed both you and Vad on day four? Yeah, that logic was totes sucky. It's not about just the vote order, it was piecing together voting patterns and forum behavior, and I didn't reveal every hint I encountered. It's all a big puzzle to solve. I'm like the Professor Layton of mafia, bitches.

Pfft. You mean like I did in the past two mafia games? Mhmm.

*pops collar*

Anyway, yeah, the townies had some ridiculous luck, which started with Mafia not lynching anyone. Continued to Josh getting revealed/killed, moved on to Rose offing Kami (suspicion or not, at that point in the game its about 75% guess, you know it) and peaked with Mal investigating Meer the exact same night he gets to use his power (Apparently he tried to use it the night before, but Amumu stopped him, so we'll throw in some luck there, too).

Some feedback on the game itself. Karthus: way too broken. The rationale that he could die early and not be as effective is not good enough. There should not be a single power that, at any point in the game, can kill off an entire faction in one day. The ability to be killed and still sit around casting votes, while not contributing to the number of votes needed for a lynch, is great on its own.

The town needs either fewer investigative powers or fewer protection powers. I think the kill powers were ok, though I wouldn't have given Cho more than one charge, since Soraka was in the game. I know Doe has been pretty outspoken about how overpowered he thinks the Sheriff role is and it's understandable. I thought Warwick's power was very balanced, but I wouldn't have given it to the town with TF already on the team. Combine that with the number of powers that self-reveal and the information starts piling up real quickly in the town's favor.

Things probably would have gone differently if the mafia had actually been paying attention. Not getting that first kill, for example. Kami could have played a big role if he had been using his Urgot power each night. All-in-all, though, I think the game was very entertaining and I liked the flavor that each role brought to the game.

[Kaden]

A major advantage was that everyone in the town had a power that they could reveal for some credibility, and the mafia powers were pretty mafiaesque.

Even then, a lot of that can be chalked up to luck or poor judgement. The only reason you could reveal for credibility was because you got a mafia on the first shot. If you hadn't, then revealing yourself probably would have gotten you lynched. Regardless, the town was being given free information no matter how the powers ended up being used.

Singed coming out and saying he was Singed while people were already talking about how that's a mafia-like power and that Singed was evil in-game so he's probably mafia was just an incredibly poor play.

That actually segues into something I forgot to put in my last post. The single thing I disliked most about this was that the logic of "well he was evil in-game so he's probably mafia" held up way too well. At one point someone justified not lynching Jarka by saying "Lee Sin doesn't seem like a character that would be mafia" and I just hit my desk with my head. That train of thought should never be applicable in a game like this.

[John Doe]

Another thing that I've been outspoken about is being active in Mafia. Being active does NOT mean only sending night/day actions. You have to fucking talk. Mafia is a social game no matter how you look at it, and not participating in the social aspect is not being involved with the game.

[Kaden]

Another thing that I've been outspoken about is being active in Mafia. Being active does NOT mean only sending night/day actions. You have to fucking talk. Mafia is a social game no matter how you look at it, and not participating in the social aspect is not being involved with the game.

100% agree.

[Josh]

Just so you know, we tried to kill Kaden on the first night. But Whompt didn't get a reply from Vad so he never bothered to send in the kill notification to Ashe. I tried so hard to be deceptive but it didn't work out ;(

Edit: Also, I was pushing hard to kill Kaden on the second night. I knew he was big fat lying, liar about the ability bloodscent and because he told Doe to hold off on lynching me, had we killed him, it would have made me look like a townie.

Edit 2: One more thing, we totally would have rolled your asses if you hadn't caught Meer. We'd have used Kaden to play you guys against each other.

[John Doe]

Yeah, too bad I died. I would have claimed that Kaden was the ghost because it was the smartest move you could make. Which also made it predictable.

[Vad]

My reaction when Cho Gath feasted for the first time.

[Josh]

Yeah, too bad I died. I would have claimed that Kaden was the ghost because it was the smartest move you could make. Which also made it predictable.

How could you make that claim when you didn't even know that power existed.

[Super Buu]

Pfft. You mean like I did in the past two mafia games? Mhmm.

*pops collar*

Anyway, yeah, the townies had some ridiculous luck, which started with Mafia not lynching anyone. Continued to Josh getting revealed/killed, moved on to Rose offing Kami (suspicion or not, at that point in the game its about 75% guess, you know it) and peaked with Mal investigating Meer the exact same night he gets to use his power (Apparently he tried to use it the night before, but Amumu stopped him, so we'll throw in some luck there, too).

Close. I was 80% sure. I actually remember coming up with that figure XD

[John Doe]

How could you make that claim when you didn't even know that power existed.

Not far away, Mordekaiser found his own target to ult, casting Children of the Grave on a nearby warrior.

I'm pretty sure EVERYONE figured that one out pretty fast.

[Sigfried Hunin]

Ya... Karthus is way OP lol. Mayyyybe, he can do either add a bunch of votes OR stay alive, with the # of votes scaling to what turn it is.

[Jarka]

Eh, but if Karthas had been killed day one, not much would have happened differently. Maybe two lynches instead of one. Maybe. He's only OP late game.

[Jonathan Meer]

And Mafia wasn't under powered... I mean if you look at their powers... and some of ours... things could have went awry fast...

The mafia just don't know how to blend in...

Two investigators is pretty damn OP, especially in this stage of Chubbs where that role is beginning to get a sense of when they can declare themselves and when they cannot.

Mostly, Chubbs just needs to learn to play Mafioso (and I recognize this partly implicates me, as I've been Mafia all or nearly all of the games I've played). Just about all of my posts after Day Two were some degree of damage control (and, once it became painfully obvious that Vad, Whompt and Kami were all toast, making myself as free of suspicion as possible).

Mal, for all your bragging, I'd be very interested in hearing why you suspected me of being Morde prior to your investigation.

[Jonathan Meer]

Yeah, too bad I died. I would have claimed that Kaden was the ghost because it was the smartest move you could make. Which also made it predictable.

This was my concern. Ghosting Kaden was less about using his authority to play you guys off one another (though I had no idea Ashe was going to be so explicit in my use of the ability; that was something that seemed to be rather inconsistent. For example, revealing Rose upon using his ability, rather than simply saying 'Cho'gath feasted') and more about knocking out the investigator before too much damage was done. Hilariously, I learned shortly thereafter that the townies had two investigators.