[LoM] Aftermath

[Jarka]

To be fair, Meer, I think you were by far the least obvious mafia member this time around. I agree that ghosting Kaden was a tad obvious, but you were on my mental list of least suspicious up until the TF reveal. You cinched your fate when you did your famous Meer ranting, though. It was waaaaay too defensive.

[Kaden]

Edit 2: One more thing, we totally would have rolled your asses if you hadn't caught Meer. We'd have used Kaden to play you guys against each other.

I had three different people IM me, asking if I was the Ghost. Everyone knew. It was unfortunate.

Close. I was 80% sure. I actually remember coming up with that figure XD

Damn. I knew I should have rounded up!

Eh, but if Karthas had been killed day one, not much would have happened differently. Maybe two lynches instead of one. Maybe. He's only OP late game.

It's not a matter of whether or not he's OP. It's that he breaks the game. Completely. OP is fine when it has limitations to justify it. Warwick's ability is actually a great example of this. I learned EVERYTHING about a person. Alignment, champion, power, the works. If that was just a power that someone had the town would crush every single game. It's balance is finite.

The Karthus balance is speculative. Yeah, it could do nothing on Day Two, or it could (and probably would, given the luck the town always seems to have) knock out two mafia because of random voting nonsense.

The idea of a power scaling off of the duration of the game is really interesting and I fully approve of Ashe using that as a mechanic, but the rest of the game didn't really support an ability with that kind of power. The sheer number of abilities that killed other players made "late game" completely unpredictable.

Look at Day Four. Going into it, three people had been killed. Now look at Day Five. Between the two days five people had died. That's ridiculous. If Karhus had been one of those people, it would have taken two votes to knock someone off.

The flavor is good and interesting, but it doesn't work in a game like this without being seriously toned down. He basically had three powers. 1) cast three votes on everyone, 2) stay in the game to post and vote for an extra day and 3) remove the one-lynch-per-day cap. When I found out about Doe's power I specifically asked what would happen if two majority votes were reached and his response was that he would probably random to see who died. (EDIT: Looking back at it, I think removing 3 would be the way to balance Karthus. The number of votes will still "scale" into late-game and he still has the flavor, but it doesn't break everything.)

I said this somewhere else, but I don't have a problem with the town having two information gathering roles. Warwick's is completely uncontrollable and only useful for one or two shots. It actually ended up wasting one of Mal's investigations because he went for the same person that I got with Bloodscent.

I would probably scale down the amount of information TF got, though, and that I say because of the knowledge built into this format. If he found out only the name of someone's character, I think that would be plenty of information.

I don't want this, or anything else I've said, to detract from the fact that I greatly enjoyed this iteration of mafia and I hope that Ashe does another one.

[John Doe]

I don't want this, or anything else I've said, to detract from the fact that I greatly enjoyed this iteration of mafia and I hope that Ashe does another one.

QFT

[Vad]

DO IT AGAIN! DO IT AGAIN!

[Jonathan Meer]

I don't want this, or anything else I've said, to detract from the fact that I greatly enjoyed this iteration of mafia and I hope that Ashe does another one.

This this this.

You cinched your fate when you did your famous Meer ranting, though. It was waaaaay too defensive.

That was mostly me just being upset that the game was guaranteed over at that point. Even if I spun that and managed to get you all to lynch Mal, I was no longer free of suspicion (and, in fact, would be guaranteed to be lynched the next day).

Which, again, seems to be attributable to blind, dumb luck rather than any actual tactics or strategy. After being and losing as Mafia for three (four?) games (and watching at least three other teams of Mafia lose over the last however many games we've played), I feel like the guy who doesn't get a single face card in five hours of Hold'em.

EDIT: I will say this; when the townspeople regularly have more information by the beginning of the third day than Mafia does, something's wrong. The game only functions well when Mafia have the upper hand on information.

[Jarka]

I'd wager that the mafia has never won on Chubbs because text is permanent, man. We're able to go back and analyze everything from the previous day, without being able to look at the body language of the people around us.

I do love the themed mafia, though. Even if it isn't LoL themed, it makes it a lot less repetitive than the ol' sheriff/doctor routine.

[Kami]

And Thank you Ashe for running the game. I think we all enjoyed it.


Even if Cho'gath fucking ate me. Asshole.

[Rafael]

Agreed, I enjoyed this and having sort of a 3rd sheriff role even if I kept hitting townies

[Blue]

I didn't think i did anything to make me too obviously mafia. Granted, saying I was Singed was probably bad game, but at that point I was already at 10/6 votes to kill me. The best I could hope for at that point was a mass aneurism of the townies.

The only thing I could see that would have even linked me to any mafioso was my desire to wait a day before lynching Josh. Which honestly, is pretty flimsy to base a vote on considering I've put forth that strategy before and no one thought me anything but a townie. Or you could go with the fact I didn't vote for Josh until he had the requisite to lynch, but I openly admitted that I agreed with Kaden on his mafianess prior to that point. Hell, next time I might just not say a word and skate on by like so many townies do.

No. I love the game too much to ruin it through silence. But I think I may need to do some backstabbing to put myself in the townie's good graces.

I don't know. You guys are entitled to your opinions, but looking at the posting I don't see a whole lot of evidence pointing to us aside from the reveals of Kaden and Mal. And to be honest, the fact that you guys attributed character-alignment to player-alignment kind of irritated me.

[Jonathan Meer]

I can't remember why without going back and checking, but you said something either in Day Two or Day Three that had me going 'Yup, Whompt's dead'

[Blue]

It was probably when I sort of defended Josh.

[Jonathan Meer]

Yup. That was it.

[Waffuru]

Well, I wasn't THAT sure about Whompt's guilt but we had enough of a lead that we could afford to kill a townsperson. Yeah, the only thing we had was flimsy but it was better than the nothing we had going for everyone else.

[Celena]

To be honest, I wasn't completely sure Vad was mafia, but I went for the lynch anyway. When you accused me of being mafia (even though I clearly wasn't) I saw that as a defense mechanism to try to bring me down, that was when I knew you were definately mafia.

[Super Buu]

To be fair, Meer, I think you were by far the least obvious mafia member this time around. I agree that ghosting Kaden was a tad obvious, but you were on my mental list of least suspicious up until the TF reveal. You cinched your fate when you did your famous Meer ranting, though. It was waaaaay too defensive.

Totes this. It was deja vu from the morning after where John Doe got killed as the Godfather.

[John Doe]

Totes this. It was deja vu from the morning after where John Doe got killed as the Godfather.

THE BEST OF TIMES, BRUH.

[Mal Nova]

Two investigators is pretty damn OP, especially in this stage of Chubbs where that role is beginning to get a sense of when they can declare themselves and when they cannot.

Mostly, Chubbs just needs to learn to play Mafioso (and I recognize this partly implicates me, as I've been Mafia all or nearly all of the games I've played). Just about all of my posts after Day Two were some degree of damage control (and, once it became painfully obvious that Vad, Whompt and Kami were all toast, making myself as free of suspicion as possible).

Mal, for all your bragging, I'd be very interested in hearing why you suspected me of being Morde prior to your investigation.

I guess I will say... it was a gut feeling first of all... John was the loudest and I felt Whompt was the second loudest on day one. Or for some reason they just stuck out to me. Call it Ironic or coincidental... I could look at things and I could come up with a rational explanation... But I read everything... its just how things felt to me...


However... Your first post was defensive in the utmost obvious fashion...

I AIN'T GONNA BE CALLIN SHIT FOR THIS GAME. You guys are gonna have to do your own meta-level scheming and shit. All that only gets me in trouble.

Unless you guys make me *facepalm*, in which case I might step up.

It was basically saying this: 'I'm not going to help you figure out who is who or who is what. if I say a whole lot it gets me in trouble."

I went for John.. then Whompt (Amumu saved me from that one) And then I had to decide to go after you.. Vad... Whompt(again)... Leo... Raf.... Lol the second day Meer, you posted once... and voted for Josh.. and if you looke at it..Josh made the best play for mafia trying to act like you werent one with his quoted comment... to bad I didnt care enough pay attention...Day 3... youonly posted once as well.. and for josh again... But still sometihng bugged me and As I thought bout it I just decided that.. and the irony/coincedence thing just made me ahve to pick you.

It was weird though... Ashe didn't reveal it l ike he revealed John... but as I read the PM. I almost screamed, "Mafia!" And as i debated to reveavl myself or not... I had to weigh who the ghost was... if we had a Doc/healer(they all said Soraka...) I assumed that maybe you guys had a reveal role also... Then maybe you guys figured who was the protector and changed them.. the next and obvious logic was Kaden... And as I pointed out.. I didn't know if using Destiny on him woulod reveal that he was Ghost or Warwick...

Day 4 You posted three times before I got intertnet and decided that you prolly ghosted Kaden and it was best to reveal your ass then and there. But to be honest..your defense sucked in my opinion once I ousted you...

I noticed that when you reveal yourself, or really or ready to convict someone... just from looking at the last game(only one I watched) people want a nice slew of detailed information. So I gave my Info in as much detail as I could( your first argument was I didnt make sense or I was grammatically incorrect). But in a game like this or in OOC post I type the way I type as I would prolly speak =D..

That being said, sitting there and saying that you picked someone and they'd die if you were targeted meant that, as I said, was pretty stupid. You could have randomly picked a doctor role and cost the game alot(had you been a towner)

Whompt wasn't smart either.. He actually admitted who he was... after I died.. and said that he was the reason I died and had a good logic... But if you think about it... Had Amumu not stopped me on Night two... I never would have been around...


I think Mafia had enough powers to hinder alot of even my powers... and that it was just luck that the cards fell the way they did... That and suspicion...

I still wanna see everyones role though>_>

[Jonathan Meer]

Day 4 You posted three times before I got intertnet and decided that you prolly ghosted Kaden and it was best to reveal your ass then and there. But to be honest..your defense sucked in my opinion once I ousted you...

'Course it did. Once you got your blind, random confirmation that I was indeed Mafia, the game was over. Marking this, I feel, as yet another game where the townies seem to have lucky break after lucky break. Where playing well as Mafia means jack shit.

That being said, sitting there and saying that you picked someone and they'd die if you were targeted meant that, as I said, was pretty stupid. You could have randomly picked a doctor role and cost the game alot(had you been a towner)

It was a one-time use. It was a cool ability, yes, but (again) in light of two investigative roles, Soraka, Amumu, etc etc etc, it's hardly elite.

'sides, I think it's rather funny that you're relying on the 'you could have randomly picked' defense. That's exactly what I'm suggesting you did (on selecting me). I'm not claiming your power was OP (it's nothing special; every game has some variation of the Sheriff role). But I am throwing doubt on the rather immense amount of bragging you threw around for nabbing me. In light of your inability to articulate any actual reason why you would have suspected me (beyond 'i...dunno, it was a suspicion...'), I think my point has been made here.

I'm being really petty, yes, but you try losing game after game as Mafia on account of stupid, dumb shit, and having to put up with the aftermath with everyone back-slapping everyone else, declaring what was actually a large amount of dumb luck as 'pure skill.' It gets irritating.

EDIT: I facepalmed as soon as I get the PM that I was Mafia, knowing that I was probably in for a fucked-up game, even with five Mafia. Sho'nuff

[Mal Nova]

You could have made a better argument then what you did. And I can give you a few examples if you would really like me to...

Whompt pretty much gave himself away anyways... after he admitted who he was...

But don't forget... I was always a 'worst case scenario type of guy... And I didn't know what would happen to the ghost once you died.. I also said you probably didn't know Morde would get ousted via ghosting...

But that being said.... Ashe did say certain roles would be mentioned and revealed when used...


I have a question though...did Singred know he killed me via PM, or by what he read in dialogue?


I really enjoyed this my first go around... and have a few tweeks if Ashe wants me to PM him them.. lol...

But could we get a list of who was what and what their abilities were... cuz either I missed it... or there actually wasn't anyone to save me from Singed spell

Note: Thinking about it... Meer.. Maybe you tried to hard to not be obvious... lol

[Super Buu]

All it takes is to see enough of the picture that you start to see what other clues could mean. Kaden was all for lynching someone until it came 'round to Meer, then he became more hesitant to do. Given that he was the most likely to be ghosted, it was too easy to figure out.