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Jonathan Meer · 09-10-2011, 01:12 AM

Hate: 'Dude, chill out, it's just a game.'

No. If you are doing stupid shit in a ranked game (or fuck, a normal game), I'm going to tell you to stop doing it. Like solo pushing bot when their entire team is mia. Or farming minions instead of participating in the teamfight five feet away.

Orion · 09-10-2011, 01:53 AM

I'm with you there Meer, but on the other hand, I hate coming into a LoL game after a week or so away from it to have fun and the first 10 minutes I hear ranting about how we suck and we should surrender at 20. That's not fun to me, and I definitely won't be playing if it becomes the norm.

Kole T. Merr · 09-10-2011, 01:55 AM

While it can be frustrating when people do stupid shit, it's definitely important to remember that it is JUST A GAME.

Jonathan Meer · (This post was last modified: 09-10-2011, 01:58 AM by Jonathan Meer.)

Orion Wrote:I'm with you there Meer, but on the other hand, I hate coming into a LoL game after a week or so away from it to have fun and the first 10 minutes I hear ranting about how we suck and we should surrender at 20. That's not fun to me, and I definitely won't be playing if it becomes the norm.

It's not the norm. Been playing a lot of terrible (terrible, terrible) solo queues lately to get to 10 for the skin, and my LoL mindset is on edge atm.

EDIT: To put it in perspective, four of every five games I've played in the last couple days, I've had a teammate go something like 0/6 in the first fifteen minutes. And I don't like it.

**Vad** · 09-10-2011, 02:44 AM

That shouldn't be cause to flip the fuck out on some of us though.

Jonathan Meer · (This post was last modified: 09-10-2011, 02:57 AM by Jonathan Meer.)

It IS cause. What you mean is that it's not a good excuse. Everyone makes mistaes; I make a shit-ton of them. But when someone does the same wrong/stupid/bad thing multiple times in a single game, makes me wonder what's going on.

Sigfried Hunin · 09-10-2011, 03:07 AM

ANOTHER 3V5. Awesome. I love it when people jsut say FUCK IT and leave halfway through a match for no reason at all.

Kole T. Merr · 09-10-2011, 03:10 AM

Jonathan Meer Wrote:It's not the norm.

Lies

Mal Nova · 09-10-2011, 03:42 AM

THere was a Youtube video that showed how to farm and supress in top lane...

Mal Nova · 09-10-2011, 03:46 AM

Jonathan Meer Wrote:It IS cause. What you mean is that it's not a good excuse. Everyone makes mistaes; I make a shit-ton of them. But when someone does the same wrong/stupid/bad thing multiple times in a single game, makes me wonder what's going on.

Hey hey hey! You like taking advantage of me doing the same thing over and over and over and over again >_> lol

Kaden · 09-10-2011, 04:16 AM

Jonathan Meer Wrote:he continuously does very stupid things despite being told not to.

You don't even know.

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW!

Josh · 09-10-2011, 04:36 AM

Kaden Wrote:You don't even know.

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW!

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Kaden · 09-10-2011, 04:38 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YosnbUG-Hoc

Ashe · 09-10-2011, 07:40 AM

If you and someone else just don't play well together, just stop playing with them. I've observed some extreme play style / personality differences when approaching this game and have more or less come to the conclusion that its the way its going to be. If something that someone regularly does bothers me to any severe level, then I'm just going to have to tell myself to let it go for that game and just keep it in mind for further games. I'm going to try to avoid mentioning what the specific problems are while in game, and if I decide to just take a break from playing with any one person or persons, I'm not really going to communicate that either. It just brings unnecessary drama and shouldn't be involved in the requirements to simply enjoy this game. Its better for everyone that way.

Anzekay · (This post was last modified: 09-10-2011, 10:31 AM by Anzekay.)

Sometimes I have really good games, and sometimes I have really terrible ones. Like yesterday for example, I had this incredibly awesome game as Jungle Skarner (8/3/16 or something, two tower dive deaths during teamfights that ended in us acing them) and then played two games with Tekkzy and I was horrible in both of them. Sometimes shit just happens and you fuck up a bunch in the one game and ultimately the only explanation is something just didn't click right in your head and you just had a bad game.

I think it'd be nice that when we play we talk beforehand if we want to do a real serious buisness game (I.E we play champs we are good with and go for good team comps, even in normal games) or if we just want to chill out and relax and play a game and maybe try champs we don't play that often (like me learning Annie atm, or testing out some new builds for certain other champs, or I'm a little tired after work and just want to have a little fun without pressure).

That way if someone just wants to have a game that is serious buisness, but everyone else doesn't, they can just choose to not play a game and not get worked up about it. It'll prevent us having expectations that might not be appropriate for the mood everyone else is in.

While we can argue on and on about whether something is 'just a game' or 'should be serious because we want to win', in the end I always thought the idea of playing together should be to have fun together. If that means going for a win, then let's do that, if not then so be it- as long as we're enjoying ourselves (together!). Little bit more communication could help with that.

Also I wrote this after coming home from work 10 min ago and I had 1.5 hours sleep last night so fuck the haters.

Sigfried Hunin · 09-10-2011, 03:58 PM

I very much view myself as a learner in this game, so i dont mind losing a game honestly. People fuck up, they fail to have map awareness, whatever. Learning.

Honestly the only time i really get mad is when i feel like im being yelled at or talked down to. Kaden Ash and I often clash for this reason, ESPECIALLY through text. I recognize that the majority of the time they dont mean to sound" a certain way but i often feel it comes of preachy or condecending which, doll!4@ to dimes, will send me into a mind numbing hyper rage. This USUALLY doesnt happen when people use real people words but ive heard kaden go off on people before (usually cause theyre just ignoring him)

I think as a whole, as a community, we often fail to give advice or tutor people with the respect and patience people deserve. We have opinions, we have thoughts, but it does absolutely no good to anyone if you deliver help in ways that piss them off. Trygelan is a great teacher. He never nags or freaks the fuck out or carries a condecending tone unless its truly and utterly neccissary.

Meer, i hate to say it man and i still love playing with you, but you are like the OPPOSITE of that with mostly yelling. Everyone else falls somewhere in the middle or just doesnt say shit to anyone, which is whatever i guess.

Calling people out and trying to crucify them is also the wrong answer. It causes drama and it doesn,t accomplish a goddamn thing.

These are my thoughts.

Kole T. Merr · 09-10-2011, 04:07 PM

Sigfried Hunin Wrote:\This USUALLY doesnt happen when people use real people words but ive heard kaden go off on people before (usually cause theyre just ignoring him)

I can completely understand his frustration when people ignore him. I play with Kaden probably more than I play with any of you. He doesn't start out frustrated, but when people keep blatantly ignoring advice like "come to teamfights" or "let the carry farm", then he's not the only one to get frustrated. Kaden is just more vocal about it.

I'm not saying I'm perfect. Far from it, in fact. But I know when I've made a mistake before someone even telling me most of the time. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the correction sometimes. After all, isn't that how we learn? From someone else pointing out the mistakes?

Kaden · 09-10-2011, 05:10 PM

My intention is to be significantly less vocal about giving advice anymore.

Sigfried Hunin · 09-10-2011, 07:43 PM

Kole T. Merr Wrote:I can completely understand his frustration when people ignore him. I play with Kaden probably more than I play with any of you. He doesn't start out frustrated, but when people keep blatantly ignoring advice like "come to teamfights" or "let the carry farm", then he's not the only one to get frustrated. Kaden is just more vocal about it.

I'm not saying I'm perfect. Far from it, in fact. But I know when I've made a mistake before someone even telling me most of the time. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the correction sometimes. After all, isn't that how we learn? From someone else pointing out the mistakes?

I had written this out before but it all got erased so ill prolly forget something. If you cant tell im on my phone.

But no, i can understand when he gets frustrated when people dont listen and the times that he freaks out are the times that people arent listening. But thats like, freaking out, you know?

As i said there has never been a problem between me and Kaden when we're over mumble but then again i hardly ever hear kaden talk over mumble other than his beautiful singing. The problem between he and on, on a very personal just him and me level, is that either he types or i interpret his writing as either nagging, condecending, or just being unneccisarily frustrated over shit. Thats a him and me thing though.

I think as a whole the chubbs community has a vaguely aggressive and snarky attitude towards playing this game. Teaching people is fine, but there definately respectful understanding ways to do that. Dont talk down to people. Down yell at people, give offhanded, light cooperative advice to people. If somebody is fucking something up, the right right answer isnt to yell. Now BOTH people are unwilling to cooperate IN the game and it creates drama outside of it. Calling people out or making public statments about others in a negative light is also the wrong answer. That accomplishes nothing but create a hostile environment and ruins the fun for everyone.

Jonathan Meer · 09-10-2011, 10:18 PM

Sigfried Hunin Wrote:Meer, i hate to say it man and i still love playing with you, but you are like the OPPOSITE of that with mostly yelling.

Yeah. You're right. And I hate that it is that way. Fucking personality.

Pretty sure I have an inflated sense of how good I am, which doesn't help.

Mario Wrote:My intention is to be significantly less vocal about giving advice anymore.

Dude, when I play with you, I want you to tear my play APART. Seriously. You and Tryg. There should never be a time when you think 'He really shouldn't have done that, but I really don't feel like bringing it up.' PLEASE bring it up.

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