The Nova Project.

[Mal Nova]

I'm sure I had a thread like this before...

But... after getting cut in throat and told to look up things... from Solomid.net

I figured this is a good thread for myself and the other guys to know who I Might be able to play...




ATM: I am comfortable wit the following:
Nasus(Top)
Jax(Lane/Top)
Yi(Lane/AD)


-We know my Nasus Build... Though I'd like to ask Tryg a few things after seeing his normal game with Kaden/Jarka/Weemus...He got hella great CS...And missed some =P But I wondered why he built it the way he did... I saw it saved and watched it and I think I Woulda done something different so It makes me wonder if I would have done wrong....


-We know I use to play Jax. Nasus is My main. But Jax is my baby. He's my first love. (Think Weemus with Udyr and Noctunre?) I've got a few different play styles for him(Depending on who I a playing with).

-Yi I go YGB for kills and towers. I can lose by not being in fights(lose being in some too...) Or I can win by ripping towers. I build this guy to rip shit.






Playing Yi has made me be more careful. I Do wonder if a Frozen Mallet would be kick ass on him??

But I love Jax cuz I can go a few initial routes and win a lane. Shit I played a Normal game and but raped a level1 Lulu and but hurt Varus. Just as they were coming to lane after trying to invade.

But My Jax is hit or miss lol. At least early game... So any tips are still welcome...


I'll be focusing on Rumble/Kat/Fiddle Next....

I'd like to know a few suggestions for Range.... Supports... and Tanks?

Marks:
Alacrity(1.7%AS)
Desolation(1.7 ArmPen)
Insight(.95MagPen)
Strength(.95AD)


Seals
Clarity(1.2 ManReg/per 5sec at 1
Replenishment(.41/per 5sec)
Resilience(1.41 Armor)

Glyphs
Alacrity(.64% AS)
Focus(.65% CD)
Force(.3.1 AP at 1
Vigor(.27 HP/5)
Warding(1.34 MR)

Quints

Alacrity(3.4% AS)
Desolation (3.33 ArrmPen)
Focus(1.64% CD)
Potency(4.95 AP)
Strength 2.25
Swiftness(1.5% MS)
Insight(2.10 MagPen)
Transmutation(2% Spellvamp)
Vampirism(2% LS)



Champs:
Total: 37

Alistar
Anivia
Annie
Ashe
Blitzcrank
Corki
Dr. Mundo
Fiddlesticks
Gangplank
Garen
Heimerdinger
Jax
Karthus
Kassadin
Katarina
Kayle
Malphite
Master Yi
Morgana
Nasus
Nunu
Poppy
Rumble
Ryzo
Shaco
Singed
Sion
Sivir
Soraka
Taric
Teemo
Tristana
Tryndamere
Twisted Fate
Twitch
Warwick
Xin Zhao


EDIT: I'll update this on occasion with new Runes/Champs. I'll date the updates and post that I update them.

Added Quints: Strength and Desolation. Almost done with Insight for runes too

[Vad]

Lemme tell you what they're trying to tell you, but really don't know how. It isn't just about looking it up on your own. To truly learn a character you need to invest the time to figure it out. Suggestions are great, but if you really want to get to a better plateau of playing said character you need to develop a strategy that suits you and your play style. They can only show you the door to what you need. You need to take the step through and try stuff out.

Sometimes that means looking up some guides on the internet for clues on item rotation, spell rotation, and proper summoner spells. Hell I do it for my Rogue (WoW) all the time and I'm nearing pro levels on her.

So for example. Ask questions like - Anyone have a suggested item rotation that works for them?

Kaden might say - this this and this. Well take that, try it out, and adapt it to fit your play style. Take the AP and AD ratios into consideration and move on from there.

I'm a sucker for helping people so if I knew more about this game I'd be answering all your questions. What I can do is link you to guides I find and see if they help, because my PvP gene doesn't make me an instant noob to this. Been PvPing for years.

Play WoW though and I got your back :D

Does anything I said make sense?

EDIT: If I were to suggest and a ranged AD carry to learn it'd be Ashe. A ranged AP would be Ahri if she still plays like she does when I bought her. Ashe is a fucking beast when fed and Ahri just blows through shit like it's nobody's business. I thought Le Blanc had burst? Ahri was my new queen.

[Maruset]

Ahri is pretty much LB 2.0

[Mal Nova]

I MIGHT COULD play Ashe now... but back in the day, I panic'd(still do at times just not as much) and sucked with the barrage Aim. Plus that Ashe Arrow scares me.

Ahri costs alot =P



For the record...


HEres my runes I got... I got bored and typed them out>>
Marks:
Alacrity(1.7%AS)
Desolation(1.7 ArmPen)
Insight(.95MagPen)
Strength(.95AD)


Seals
Clarity(1.2 ManReg/per 5sec at 18)
Replenishment(.41/per 5sec)
Resilience(1.41 Armor)

Glyphs
Alacrity(.64% AS)
Focus(.65% CD)
Force(.3.1 AP at 18)
Vigor(.27 HP/5)
Warding(1.34 MR)

Quints

Alacrity(3.4% AS)
Focus(1.64% CD)
Potency(4.95 AP)
Swiftness(1.5% MS)
Transmutation(2% Spellvamp)
Vampirism(2% LS)

[Kaden]

Ashe is a good one for learning AD. Of those runes, I would suggest AD reds, Armor yellows, MR blues, and Movespeed quints. I'd also suggest investing in the scaling MR blues. They end up being a more potent choice, nine times out of ten.

Trist is also a very good champ for learning ranged AD, primarily because of how safe she is. Similarly, Caitlyn is also a good one. The runes I suggested for Ashe will work fine for those two, as well.

[Trygelan]

-We know my Nasus Build... Though I'd like to ask Tryg a few things after seeing his normal game with Kaden/Jarka/Weemus...He got hella great CS...And missed some =P But I wondered why he built it the way he did... I saw it saved and watched it and I think I Woulda done something different so It makes me wonder if I would have done wrong....

In regards to builds and everything, I'm not sure which game you are talking about, but one of the main things I want to stress is to be flexible in builds and such. There's never one "perfect build" that works, with maybe the exception being ranged ad's almost all using IE/PD/LW core and such. I tend to build based against my lane and the rest of the team.

As for the game you're talking about, I'm not sure which that was, can you refresh my memory and I can try to explain why I built whatever it was I built..

Frozen mallet on Yi can be good depending on how much you're in the middle of fights and how much they are focusing you. It's not an always build item, but after a while you should figure out when it's worth it to build.

Champs to learn by role...
AD: Ashe, Tristana
Support: Janna, Soraka, Sona, Taric
"Tanks": Malphite, Galio, Udyr

[Vad]

Galio, in my opinion, has one of the best tank openers in the game combined with Flash. Time it right and the enemy team is completely fucked.

[Jonathan Meer]

galio's ult is mummy-lite

[Vad]

galio's ult is mummy-lite

Mummy doesn't taunt and turn the team toward him. It sucks that he's only viable against AP teams because that control during his ult is theoretically godly.

[Kaden]

He's viable pretty much whenever. Yeah, he'll be more effective against teams that have a lot of magic damage, but the threat of his ult is not something that only casters have to worry about.

[Vad]

He's viable pretty much whenever. Yeah, he'll be more effective against teams that have a lot of magic damage, but the threat of his ult is not something that only casters have to worry about.

Yeah. I agree. The name of the game is control and that taunt is a form of control WHILE completely incapacitating the team.

+1 Ace if done right.

[Jonathan Meer]

Except that mummy gets his team 'control' for the same duration (sans actually getting hit, since it's a true stun rather than a taunt): two seconds. And mummy ult is on a shorter cd.

[King B]

Except that mummy gets his team 'control' for the same duration (sans actually getting hit, since it's a true stun rather than a taunt): two seconds. And mummy ult is on a shorter cd.

Galio's ult does way more deeps. Especially Galio in the current stage of how he's played. Being able to farm wraiths and wolves in virtually 1 Q+E combo at any point past lvl 7. Assuming Galio goes mid and gets all the blue buff, the CD really isn't a big issue. Although it is a lot easier to land an Amumu ult than Galio ult, I still think Amumu's ult is a tad stronger because of bandage+ult and because of the ult range. But Galio's ult is right up there.

[Vad]

Amumu wins on initiation. Galio wins on sheer initial control of a team fight. He taunts and holds them there.

This is my opinion. Hard data and stats aside you want more control in certain PvP fights than sheer damage.

[Mal Nova]

In regards to builds and everything, I'm not sure which game you are talking about, but one of the main things I want to stress is to be flexible in builds and such. There's never one "perfect build" that works, with maybe the exception being ranged ad's almost all using IE/PD/LW core and such. I tend to build based against my lane and the rest of the team.

As for the game you're talking about, I'm not sure which that was, can you refresh my memory and I can try to explain why I built whatever it was I built..

Frozen mallet on Yi can be good depending on how much you're in the middle of fights and how much they are focusing you. It's not an always build item, but after a while you should figure out when it's worth it to build.

Champs to learn by role...
AD: Ashe, Tristana
Support: Janna, Soraka, Sona, Taric
"Tanks": Malphite, Galio, Udyr

http://www.twitch.tv/trygelan/b/322944033

Riot Nasus!!!

I cant remember what it was... The Health potions were one of them... I'd have to watch it again... But Kadens singing has me heading to the hill =P


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@ The others... Doesnt Galio go as a Support/Tank? Like he has a Skill Shot.. his ult a defence and the wind rider thing that can speed people up in it.

Mummy has his Wrap stun as a Skill shot, his cursing ult, that fuiggin despair thing... and I just had to took at tantrum =P(who knew he actually had 4 abilities?

I'm not a skillshot guy really because of the way I can lag at times on this computer.

And I can panic. You ever seen an Ashe fire her barrage backwards? I've done it =P

I'm a button beater....

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I played Weemus in a few games yesterday.... just solo... I think I went Fid Vs Olaf Game 1: Jax vs Nasus Game 2; Yi vs Pulsfire Game 3.

I was looking at a guide about Fiddle when i actually got on and he messaged me so thats why I grabbed Fid.

Back in the day when i tried him... i was making the mistake of moving or throwing another ability after using drain(Thus stopping drain automatically). I worked on that. And it's been a while since I just tested him out.

I figured I'd give my Jax a go because I know how Weemus is in 1v1 and I wanted to see if my 27/4/0 Masteries and my AS Rune Page were aggressive enough. I grabbed Lifesteal first cuz I had armor/ArmPen/AS runes. Its something I run for Yi at times lol.

I pushed him back to.... the inhib tower or had tower 2 almost gonee but by then his late game kicked in...

Hehehehehehehehehehehe

Then there was the Yi Game.

I think it ended 2/2 But after I got those 2 kills and butraped towers fast... he gave up. I still say he coulda won. The reason being is because I lack patience and dont know when and when not to engage under a tower all the time...

But from it I took alot from the games and Weemus even pointed a few things out to me to.

I pick champs with sustainability. He pretty much conceded the game becasue He says an AD carry cant win agaisnt a champ like YI like that.

So I realize I do pick dueling champs or champs with life steal or go for sustain fast. I even explained to Weemus I think I fooled him with the Yi, because I grabbed Dorans Ring first. I use it for the early Alpha Strike /Meditate/ Mana Regen. Mainly for Mana Regen.But it helps with the other two also.


Also, I HAVE been practicing with Exhaust/Ignite. We all know I usually carry Exhuast/Teleport. Someone once said it was my 'signature' and I will tell you what! I hate it cuz im not use to it. I'm not use to not being able to get back to lane as fast, and I'm needing to fix the key bindings to help with the second summoner better.

Like I told Weemus I think I will put Summoner 2 on Space Bar...Put The center of champ on Tab... and the Tab on another Key.

I think that will help alot. And once I get use to it I can focus on other things.

What you guys think? And suggestions? Thoughts? Which runes i should pick up next?

Also for the Runes..I didnt mention the Quints that were the holiday ones I had. Just cuz they are not fully level 3.

[Mal Nova]

Also I'll look into Ashe and Trist for Carries. I'll look into those runes also... Still more tips are appreciated.

Maybe I wont blow so much anymore lol. Maybe I wont be a trist and knock the enemy away =P

[Kaden]

First of all, my singing is awesome.

For quints, I'd suggest picking up Armor Pen, and MR Pen in addition to what you already have.

Other random things:

Galio's played more as an AP carry/tank right now. He can be used as support, it's just not as common.

Run pretty much anything other than AS runes on Jax. He gets plenty of that stat for free.

If a bruiser and AD are equally fed, and the bruiser has a gap closer, the bruiser will win that fight most of the time. Yi is a particularly good example of this, since you can't kite him. If you had been, say, Udyr or Jarvan against the Ez, it would have been completely different.

Sustainability is a pretty big deal, and it's definitely not a bad thing to prioritize. Conventional LoL wisdom holds "win your lane, win the game" and if you can spend more time in your lane than your opponent, you're probably going to win it. Just know when you actually need it and when you don't. If everyone's running around teaming fighting, that vamp scepter probably won't help as much as a null-magic mantle or cloth armor would.

If you want to work on using skill shots well when things get a little crazy, someone like Caitlyn is pretty good for that. The skill shot isn't absolutely crucial to her performance (as opposed to champs like Galio or Cho or Ez) and is easy enough to use that you can get some good practice with it.

[Mal Nova]

Ok I'll get them.I have the Specials of them just not the top ones.

And I have seen how they have played them. Trust me I watch them every time they are live, the tournaments. I know that Shen is a bad ass but Shen and Galio combo=FUX U.

And I don't believe that wisdom. It depends. If I Blind pick or get counter picked.... i should try to just survive.

Also what defines winning the lane? I get more CS? Kills? Towers? Gold?

Nasus got 5/0 kills on me with Weemus, 2 towers, and around 30 CS and had a rushed Philo(Supposed to right?). It was an over 3k in gold difference. (Note I pointed out that he grabbed Negatrons... But I also asked why he didn't grab HoG.) But Nasus CAN 'lose' a lane, but still farm, and still be a beast.

IN the same game I linked... or one of them, you told Jarka to just take the tower so you could pressure other lanes. They were struggling. Thus 'losing the lane'

I dont think it all matters about winning the lane... because as you guys taught me... If a late game champ doesnt 'win' and sucks for a few... But can survive...or even lose it...

He can still be a bad ass or something to be reckoned with later.

Plus 1 mistake...a single mishap can change a game.


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As for Jax... that AS Passive sux. When I spoke with Tryg and told him my thoughts about it... months ago.... He explained to me about the AS Cap... and said never to try to reach it... but being below it is fine...(Not his exact words...i just told him how I played Jax.

The Way i build Jax is weird though... I have a few different Rune pages i can use for him... Same with Masteries. I tihnk its 2/3 but after fucking with pages It could be 2/5. Thats materis/Runepages.

But Build wise its been LS/Boots/Phage...Depending on what the enemy team builds I decide on where I take the VS... I do grab the Trinity and Boots depend also. I can choose Rageblade or Phantoms next... and leave the 2 last spots open JIC... But IE and That Axe work great lol

[Kaden]

And I don't believe that wisdom. It depends. If I Blind pick or get counter picked.... i should try to just survive.

Also what defines winning the lane? I get more CS? Kills? Towers? Gold?

Nasus got 5/0 kills on me with Weemus, 2 towers, and around 30 CS and had a rushed Philo(Supposed to right?). It was an over 3k in gold difference. (Note I pointed out that he grabbed Negatrons... But I also asked why he didn't grab HoG.) But Nasus CAN 'lose' a lane, but still farm, and still be a beast.

IN the same game I linked... or one of them, you told Jarka to just take the tower so you could pressure other lanes. They were struggling. Thus 'losing the lane'

I dont think it all matters about winning the lane... because as you guys taught me... If a late game champ doesnt 'win' and sucks for a few... But can survive...or even lose it...

He can still be a bad ass or something to be reckoned with later.

It's a generalization. If you've spent more gold than your opponent and you're at relative levels of skill, then you should beat them. If that were always the case, LoL would be a pretty boring game. It's just a way of thinking about your play and how you're doing in a game.

[Jonathan Meer]

Galio's ult does way more deeps. Especially Galio in the current stage of how he's played. Being able to farm wraiths and wolves in virtually 1 Q+E combo at any point past lvl 7. Assuming Galio goes mid and gets all the blue buff, the CD really isn't a big issue. Although it is a lot easier to land an Amumu ult than Galio ult, I still think Amumu's ult is a tad stronger because of bandage+ult and because of the ult range. But Galio's ult is right up there.

We're talking about the cc on ults. Not entire kits, nor the dps on the ult.