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[Raditzu]

Hahahaha... wow. That's amazing, Herc.

[Reijin]

Yes Hercule, you are so cool. Staff are so corrupt. Its all a lie and you are here to save the day. We get it. Now go away.

[Android-18]

Wow Hercule, can you sound anymore rude than you just have?

[Super Buu]

Yes, this system is advantageous to those people who currently have techniques. It aims to make people's work in the past few years not mean utterly nothing. I wouldn't see why you'd say it sucks to lose Healing and SSJ2, since you'd still be getting more than what most people start with.

I was going to reply to this before, but I completely disagree with you guys getting more lenient on giving out techs. I mean, look at this, and then look at FoF2. Look at Sam/Vegeta's 'Did You See the Muffin Man' quest (very hard) and then look at A17's 'Head Hunting' (medium) quest. If anything, it's become more difficult to earn rewards.

Rad said this once before, and I agree with it, for the most part; the way to gauge someone's effort is usually the amount of techniques they have. If they're active, they tend to get techniques.

Anyway, this is all in the rough. I'd prefer to do things with a points system instead of just 'X number of techniques'. For example, you could get a maximum of 100 points to 'buy back' your old techniques with. That would put harder-to-gain techniques like Teleportation appropriately more important than say, Body Split. If some people can't reach the maximum points with their current roster of abilities, because they earned powerups instead, then hey - workaround. Allow them to substitute it for a roughly equivalent technique.

On the topic of Zenkai, tell me you're getting rid of it. With a more proactive reward system, that shit's going to be horribly overpowered. The only reason it's not so within the current system is because TP rewards in sagas are miniscule right now. >_>

[Reijin]

No, Hercule, seriously. Are you here to be cool and strike back at us for apparently offending you and basically roleplay just to stay active and cause trouble, or are you here to actually enjoy the game?

From what I'm seeing, your plan seems to be "bait them till they show their dirty side then laugh and quit, showing everyone the truth in the corruption by those nazis while I sit on another site hoping to get props for being a martyr and 'standing up for those without a voice'"

[Reijin]

SB, I have yet to be able to get anything from Zenkai. At all. Sucks that I wasted my choice on it since I'll never see it used, meanwhile someone else gets to keep something on a nonpower equivalent to Fusion which they'd be able to carry over.

I basically don't see that as anymore fair. Some people have focused on improving their characters in ways other than nonpowerup abilities. I really think the method I proposed is the fairest at repairing the damage without upsetting the balance.

[OldYamcha]

I don't get why you guys are complaining because after a restart you start from scratch. Yea, I know, the techniques and stats show your activity...but as long as YOU know you've been active, and YOU know you should have/had them I don't see a problem with it...This is a ROLE-PLAYING game, not a video game. Stats usually only account for people who are power-hungry and enjoy over-powering others...

-.-

That being said, not only do I not have techniques, but I don't want any. At all. Total restart sounds very good for me...

[Super Buu]

Originally posted by Reijin
SB, I have yet to be able to get anything from Zenkai. At all. Sucks that I wasted my choice on it since I'll never see it used, meanwhile someone else gets to keep something on a nonpower equivalent to Fusion which they'd be able to carry over.

I ... I don't get what you're saying here. >_> I thought nobody was carrying stuff over? Everyone else has a technique? What the crap is a nonpower equivalent to Fusion?

Anyway, you guys know that I have a problem with it, so I'm going to wait with crossed fingers and hope that what Waffuru says is true. I really don't feel like training with Lord Vine a second time.

[Reijin]

Originally posted by Super Buu

Originally posted by Reijin
SB, I have yet to be able to get anything from Zenkai. At all. Sucks that I wasted my choice on it since I'll never see it used, meanwhile someone else gets to keep something on a nonpower equivalent to Fusion which they'd be able to carry over.

I ... I don't get what you're saying here. >_> I thought nobody was carrying stuff over? Everyone else has a technique? What the crap is a nonpower equivalent to Fusion?

Anyway, I'm going to wait with crossed fingers in the hope that what Waffuru says is true. I really don't feel like training with Lord Vine a second time.

I was continuing from where you were wanting to keep two non powerup techs and felt everyone should have that right rather than the activity bonus allowing you to get it instead. You want both.

[Hellfighter 17]

SB, my only technique is ki sense. I have RAGE which, since it is an item/power-up. Effectively, I am getting screwed. Give me a compromise.

[Super Buu]

Originally posted by Super Buu
If some people can't reach the maximum points with their current roster of abilities, because they earned powerups instead, then hey - workaround. Allow them to substitute it for a roughly equivalent technique.

^ Thar, Heffers.

And Rei, what's that got to do with not being able to keep Zenkai? I mean, if my proposal was used, you could carry over Zenkai if you wanted. I still don't get what you were saying.

[Reijin]

Originally posted by Hell Fighter 17
SB, my only technique is ki sense. I have RAGE which, since it is an item/power-up. Effectively, I am getting screwed. Give me a compromise.

From the line of logic I labeled above, effectively you haven't worked as hard as some others.

(speaking solely as devil's advocate)

This is exactly why I feel the compromise I worked with Aqua works best. Its black and white, not based on any number of "reasons" that can continously flip the scales back and forth.

[Super Buu]

Originally posted by Reijin

Originally posted by Hell Fighter 17
SB, my only technique is ki sense. I have RAGE which, since it is an item/power-up. Effectively, I am getting screwed. Give me a compromise.

From the line of logic I labeled above, effectively you haven't worked as hard as some others.

Please stop misrepresenting my ideas. I said nothing like that - as shown in my quote above. =(

Anyway, I gotta go. I'll cu guyz l8r

[Reijin]

Gah, SB, I'll break it down.

I said my three abilities would basically be Zenkai, Pyrokinesis, and Teleportation.

You said "I hope you are getting rid of Zenkai"

I chose Zenkai in an event that had I known this was going to happen, I would have chosen something like another kinesis move and had two at the restart, if I had been told I couldn't carry it over. I did the same work as others did and when it came to choosing which tech I wanted on that scale, I chose one that gets blacklisted. I should not be punished for that any more than others should be punished for putting their effort into personal sagas as opposed to staff sagas.

I've never even used my Zenkai power aside from the saga I got it in. Nothing else has applied it.

So by this, I would feel jipped if I were told three non powerup abilities nor the ability that I earned as my final reward of Dante's Abyss 2006, an event I placed second in and thus had free reign to choose. Rad chose Raikinesis there.

About the misinterpretation: I apologize for any misunderstanding, as I purposely put underneath it "playing devil's advocate here" to show that I was saying it to point things out.

[Vegeta]

You get to keep your canon characters and their histories. Everyone starts out equal.

^ That's what I support and I will be in the staff forum fighting for that outcome until we release this update.

[Super Buu]

Originally posted by Reijin
Gah, SB, I'll break it down.

I said my three abilities would basically be Zenkai, Pyrokinesis, and Teleportation.

You said "I hope you are getting rid of Zenkai"

I chose Zenkai in an event that had I known this was going to happen, I would have chosen something like another kinesis move and had two at the restart, if I had been told I couldn't carry it over. I did the same work as others did and when it came to choosing which tech I wanted on that scale, I chose one that gets blacklisted. I should not be punished for that any more than others should be punished for putting their effort into personal sagas as opposed to staff sagas.

I've never even used my Zenkai power aside from the saga I got it in. Nothing else has applied it.

So by this, I would feel jipped if I were told three non powerup abilities nor the ability that I earned as my final reward of Dante's Abyss 2006, an event I placed second in and thus had free reign to choose. Rad chose Raikinesis there.

About the misinterpretation: I apologize for any misunderstanding, as I purposely put underneath it "playing devil's advocate here" to show that I was saying it to point things out.

(Quickadditiongoinginasecoooond) Ah, yeah. That Zenkai hatred thing was just a last minute note on a totally different tack, since I hate that ability and would love it to be abolished. In the event that that actually happened, I'm sure you could exchange it in for another ability. I'm one of the two people who have Zenkai myself, so it's not like I'm out to fuck over those people with it. >_>

[Reijin]

Hercule: So this automatically means we are in it for ourselves and have other intentions here.

Let's be honest a moment. The site has been continuing for 7 years in a completely unchanged form using a system that was intended to last a year, maybe two. The Zento system. It was never intended to go long term so such a gap was not anticipated nor many other issues.

The problem you are having is a loss of the history? We already established that the history would not be lose. Although we might do something story related to lock down the current universe, but our new characters (or in the case of people who carry theirs over, such as yours) would still know of the events that took place.

Perhaps theirs a great war, whatever, to do this, but the history is still retained. You just begin anew as far as power is concerned.

[Raditzu]

Sorry you feel cheated, Herc. That's not the intent, but you're free to feel that way.

If you really think we just want a reset so that we can have fun and cheat our way to the top again, you're welcome to leave. Don't know what else to tell you.

@ SB: I think you're trying to make this way too complicated, man.

[Hellfighter 17]

We also plan on reconstructuring the stat system itself. It's half-necessary for a stat reset just 'cause of that.

Also, I love the taste of bait.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Hercule
I don't give a damn about history. The history on this rpg is so convoluted I don't try and understand it. It could use a good cleaning.

I am concerned with power! I at times practically hate rping. I never grow tired of comparing stats. For you to drop the legs from under that side of the rpg is like.. sadistic. So the stat pile has grown a little bigger than the scale you had planned. Make the scale bigger, don't break down the pile.

The problem isn't with the size, it's with the make up. As it is, no one will ever surpass Raditsu unless his goes MIA and stays that way for probably two years otherwise the gap will stay the way it is and only decrease by the smallest margin even if he doesn't enter saga's.

It's gotten so bad that now Staff members say "Power Levels and stats don't matter" during Saga's" so I don't understand why people care about their stats when they are just tokens that aren't even taken into consideration any longer. Hell I have SSJ2 and I got beat by King Vegeta- a lot my daunting stats and power did for me.

Stats don't even matter anymore, so why are you guys getting worked up about losing them? As it is the staff don't take them into account any longer since they are so grossly inaccurate as to real power on chubbs.