Extremely Important

[Broli]

Originally posted by Aqua
What are you talking about Reijin? No one objected to your suggestion to fix the problem of RPing from now till the reset. In fact, SB said he liked it and agreed with it. What you guys are arguing about is something entirely different and should not effect what we came up with in the least. If SB wants his old techniques... that's his own baby to argue but accepting or denying it has nothing to do with us getting something for RPing before the reset.

edit: as a side note, Im glad that I did not post any RPs today. I knew it your suugestion was too good to be true.

Honestly, I don't need to remind you that people are losing a lot more than you are. What about everything that Rad is losing? Even people who've been here a year are losing a lot.

You're essentially saying, "Yeah, that's great and all, but I don't want to lose my stuff." And hey, you may not find any reason to roleplay in the next four months because of that, and that's ok; you shouldn't make yourself write if you have no motivation or reasoning for it. Who's to tell you what your motivation should be, whether it's for rewards or for writing?

Even so, Chubbs will go on, and people who are here because they love to write and who love to be immersed in the stories that Chubbs thrives off of will continue to RP in the next four weeks, the next four months, the next four years, whatever.

I usually always find myself disagreeing with Krillin. But he said something that really holds a lot of truth.

In my eyes, all of the important compensation for my roleplaying over the past two years can't be taken away by a reset.

I hate the fact that you're going to be so affected by the possibility of a reset. I wish you could see it from the perspective that this is what Chubbs needs, that this is going to make it so much better than it already is. I know you want to keep your stats and rewards and whatever else you've received so far and have yet to receive, and I hate that you won't be able to if a reset occurs. I hate that for you, I really do. But you need to understand that Chubbs revolves around something a lot bigger than numbers. It revolves around the imagination of its writers, who are people that simply love to write. Yeah, everyone likes rewards. Reijin loved earning SSJ2. Hellfighter loved getting Rage. But I can say with the utmost certainty that even if they hadn't received those rewards, they would have loved being here all the same. I didn't do The Fight to Regain Vegeta-Sei for some amazing reward. I did it because I'm in love with the story of Broli and evolving him into who I want him to be.

Really, amidst my scatter-brained thoughts, what I'm getting to is that you're just going to have to tough it out. Heck, take a four month break until the changes occur if you have to. Honestly, if so many people are finding themselves with no reason to write in the next four months, then let them say so. Let's see names, not statements like, "A lot of people feel the same." Just realize that Chubbs is something bigger than you. It's bigger than me. It's bigger than Raditzu. It'll keep going, and it'll keep evolving, whether you like it or not, and if that means that people who are in a rewards first, love for writing second mindset get hurt in the process, that just might have to be the case. The saying goes that change is good... but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to like it.

And for the record, I gave you a 10 rating.

[Old Zangya]

*claps*

Bravo Broli!

[Aqua]

Ok Broli, I don't have time to go through your entire post because I'm packing for college.

First, I AGREE WITH THE FUCKING RESET. Can we post this is a seperate announcement or something?

I, ROO, AGREE WITH THE GOD DAMNED MOTHER FUCKING RESET!!


Seriously, if one more person ignores everything I've written to tell me that other people are losing more than me I am going to puke.

We know a reset is coming. Reijin came up with a way to let people keep roleplaying with that knowledge in mind so that the RPG can continue to move foreward. I'm fed up with the self righteous bull shit. I know the board needs a fucking reset. Stop trying to pin this on a moral bull shit issue and look through the 30 pages of posting. There have been SEVERAL people who have posted their dissagreement and objections. And for every ONE person that has posted an objection there have been a handful of jabs and insults and questioning of moral construct. Why should anyone come forward to proclaim their displeasure for this?

Point blank: I WILL RP just enough to keep my character until the reset unless staff makes a declarative statement that we WILL be rewarded relatively for our activity and effort. Reijin's suggest perfectly accomplished that, and super buu's protest had nothing to do with it. and the fact of the matter is, I will bet you every dollar that I own that some of the people who WOULD roleplay if we wwere going to get relative rewards until the reset WONT RP unless they arec certain they'll get something for it.

you shouldn't make yourself write if you have no motivation or reasoning for it. Who's to tell you what your motivation should be, whether it's for rewards or for writing?

There's your answer and it isn't hard to imagine that others feel this way when other people have posted in this thread saying they do.

That being said, staff hasn't made a for sure statement on if they're going to use Reijin's system or something like it. All my post was saying is that, until they do, I will post just enough to stay away from being MIA. I have a right to say that last time I checked.

MR. Buu... i'm not even going to take my time ripping you apart. Just know that you kneed to go through and read AND understand all 30 pages of this thread before making a comment.

[Old Zangya]

Aqua, I wasn't complimenting him on criticizing you; I was agreeing with his views. Those are good opinions. Please do not bash me because I, like some others, do not have time to read thirty pages when we're sick.

[Aqua]

Yeah...

anyway.. I won't be replying to this thread again. I've made it clear how I feel, and staff knows it. I don't know why I wasted my time trying to explain it again. I guess I just didn't like the implication about my personal character. Anyways, once you guys announce, either affirmatively or negatively, about what we will or won't be getting for our roleplay from now until the reset, I'll jump right back into things.

[Olibu]

I'd appreciate it if no one rips me with the "Stupid noob, read all of it before you respond." because I have in fact read all 31 pages of this. I read most of this before I joined, seeing how as this made me want to return. I think that a fresh start is amazing, everyone is on a level playing field. You all have a chance to become the super power now. My input is that everyone needs to stop bickering over this. Staff isn't going to make an irrational or hasty move that will fuck up the rpg. Everything will be fine tuned as it is the biggest change in chubbs history.

Also, Changeling for the win. I can't wait for this. Check out an image that my custom will look like here

To sum it up, everyone shut up =O
No, but seriously, have a little more faith...

[Grandpa Gohan]

I got a question; This is mainly for those pushing for some sort of reward for Rping.

If there wasn't a saga, and there wasn't any powerup you could attain, or something, what would you get for RPing those four months? Nothing. Nothing except character development. How is this any differant? because a reset?

Before you accuse me of having nothing to loose, I had and still do plan on doing spiritken. Simply for character development.

[Android-18]

For fun, that's all I can say. If you plan on switching, you can wrap things up. If you're staying as you are, no loss in history.

[Broli]

I understood that you agreed with the reset. I was emphasizing the fact that a reset would clear any work you do in the next four months, which is exactly what the issue was about, so don't jump the gun and accuse me of not understanding what the issue is, especially when you didn't even take the time to read my post. Furthermore, I'm bewildered as to how you can say I've made jabs at your moral character. I even defended you on the point of liking rewards more than writing. Sheesh.

The sad thing is that you won't make time to read a post that could possibly put things in perspective for you.

Now excuse me while I remove myself from this thread.

[OldYamcha]

Originally posted by Toma
Oh, and a question, seeing as how you're (probably) going to do a stat reset/makeover, what will happen to our Best Moves?

1. Do we keep 3?

2. Can we choose which?

3. If we switch to a custom we can change our moves, right?


Just asking, I have 4 and don't use any, so yeah.

>.> Please answer? >.>

Or don't you know yet either?...

[Vegeta]

We haven't discussed Best Moves yet other than they will still be around in some form.

[Super Buu]

Originally posted by Reijin
Aqua, you missed it. SB didn't like that compromise at all. He wants to keep some of his old Techs AND start gaining points RIGHT NOW.

So its now thrown out as well, as yet another 'failure'.

It did prove my point, though, in that everyone is going to view the staff as the enemy, and yet you guys are really fighting each other. We are just trying to make sense of it all.

Eh ...? When did I ever say I viewed staff as an enemy? I think there are some awesome members on the staff team, but I also think a few are being rather pigheaded about this whole thing.

To be blunt, the customs. It's clear that some people don't want a compromise - they would rather have the entire RPG be customs, and it's 'a privilege' to even be able to keep old characters. Indeed, this whole change is centered around customs (see the new system for 'being able to gain stuff now', about it being an innate trait of 'your new character'). Canons are just an afterthought in this system, a response to public demand.

We are already taking massive hits because of this. Don't pretend that because we get to keep our history, it's not going to affect us. No, stats and techniques, too, are integrated into character history. I'm already willing to take most of this. But it seems like you guys are unwilling to compromise - if the people that don't want to switch characters get to keep anything, we're 'lucky'.

I will say that this has changed my opinion of you, Reijin. I don't mind when people start attacking my points of view, but when you try to undermine me by painting me as a horrible, selfish person, as you did in the post above, then I will get pissed.

I'm more than willing to compromise, and I've already been massively compromised already. Gaining stats now is not a requirement for me - it's just a nice incentive to keep RPing. It's a good idea, but it's not a substitute for what we were told we'd probably be able to do - keep some/all old techniques (or carry them over to our NEW custom).

I know that, as is the Chubbs way, anyone that leaves Chubbs will be branded a 'coward' and someone who gives up, but I've argued by best throughout this thread. Shit, two days ago I sent you and Rad two word files full of ideas, some of which you wanted to use for your own RPG. Why the hell would I be against staff, or Chubbs?

But if you flat-out say "no, this is what we're doing", then I don't have much choice. I slept on this, but in the morning I was no less pissed. I don't want to be treated as a second-class citizen because I don't want to start over with a custom. I like my character, and if need be, I can continue him elsewhere. I'm going to wait to see what comes out of the staff forum, and that will determine whether I stay or go.

Let the 'omg quitter fagget' posts commence. =)

[Vegeta Jr]

Super Buu, the Staff has read all these pages as well and most concerns are being discussed because we run this RPG foremost for the members.

However, we do have our goals for this new system. And although we can compromise on some things, not on everything if it's an opposite of our goals.

As far as I can tell, in general there are two concerns:
-If I want, can I keep my Canon character and history?
-Why should I roleplay even though a reset is coming with the new system?

I can at least tell you the first concern for sure that you will be able to keep your canon character and its history. It's still being discussed in what form though.

The second concern is noted, and being discussed.

[Reijin]

Err, SB, I think you completely misunderstood me there.

I didn't mean to associate the "enemy" comment directly to the first comment regarding you.

It was intended to mean that everyone is fighting to see their perfect compromise come to light, but each person's compromise removes the compromise another person wants. Its the "trying to make everyone happy" problem, rather than us "trying to make the majority happy" and we are trying to see through the fog and do that instead. And what I meant was that some people are getting angry at the staff itself for "screwing them over" when in reality its the suggestions various members are clashing against each other with.

[Super Buu]

That makes sense. I still feel that those of us who worked hard for techniques are getting a little jipped, though. I personally would rather have Rad's suggestion of negative XP than nothing at all.

[Reijin]

We don't have a finalized thing, so anything at this point is made on an assumption.

And I apologize for the inadvertant offense.

[Super Buu]

Accepted, and I apologise for assuming that you meant me.

*Grimace* I don't like sappy apologies. Fuck you courtesy! >_<

[Reijin]

No, its all cool, its just that this is a very touchy subject and we all have a lot that we are trying to balance right now as far as concerns, be it rpg-wide "what is best for the rpg" and then personal "What is best for ME" type concerns.

I'll be honest: This entire thing is turning out very differently than I originally intended it to be.

However... This site is important. So I'm staying here, and trying to help out as much as I can (which unfortunately isn't much right now, but I really can't explain the situation right now... You guys are used to my life shit anyways, so don't worry about it) while also working on something of my own. I fully intend to do what I can to support whatever the new system is because I know as a member that it is made with the best intentions to keep the largest majority happy, so even if I happen to be in that 2% that is completely unhappy with the changes, I'm willing to try it and see what happens as far as it goes and see if that Chubbs spark is buried somewhere in there. It hopefully will be, and I'll see that after an adjustment period I'll equally enjoy it. If not, hey, I'll make another character and give it a go.

I have a character idea in my head right now, and that's with having no idea what type of system it will be nor powerups (I haven't been involved in the details right now) so my character might be completely weak, but the idea behind it seems very interesting to me and I really want to try it. Its for the writing, and if this will keep inspiration flowing, I'm for it. It'll suck seeing Reijin off, but we all have to sooner or later, and I have to admit having some grievances with him based on past history yet again.

[Amadeus]

Heres a thought. How about we made a seperate board where we would Beta-Test the system and each of the Beta testers would be obliged to make a report on the systems functionality?

[Krillin]

Because that's far too much work, too bulky, and by past experience, doesn't tend to work very well.

That's the short answer, anyway.