Sneak Preview: Races

[Raditzu]

We're spit-balling ideas for some other races. One of the ideas we were playing around with is a simple sub-classification for the "human" race. You would choose human, and then designate "demonic" or "magical" or whatever. Not official, but something being tossed around.

One thing you have to be aware of Supes, is that if we create a Buu race, its going to be a race we create. If we create various abilities that push the race towards, say, mental stats, then that's what it is. There wouldn't be much tolerance for complaints because the race wasn't exactly what someone wanted it to be.

If that's something you don't have a problem with, then I'll start working on a new race and see what I come up with.

[Super Buu]

Originally posted by Borgos
If you make a Buu race, then I must ask for a Vampire/Demon race.

(ie: Dabura, Dracula Man, Lucifer, Janemba, etc.)

There are more Hellspawn then there are Buus, anywho.

The thing is, you can easily slot them into non-transformer/human physiology. I wouldn't give a shit if I was konat/demon/whatever. The problem is, Buus have unique physiology and racial traits that don't quite fit into normal non-transformer archetype. I'm not asking just because I want to be classified uniquely.

A work-around is to slot them in with namekians instead of humans. But that still wouldn't quite cover it, since Namekians lack the body manipulation and have the fusion aspect that Buus don't have.

Rad - as long as it uses their current abilities as a base. They have quite a few, so I don't see why you'd need to create new ones, but I guess. I doubt you'd go and make Buus a race entirely different from their portrayal in the show. >_> Better ask Kibbles too, just in case. =P

[Aero]

Add oompa luumpa as a race. =o

[Tobias]

Both were set up in one fashion or another at one point, its not the work. Just remember that staff can add or subtract anything. The main reason this was put up was so we had something to base our characters off of and to get us thinking more about the turnover.

Remember that all development is still in progress and can be changed before and after full release.

So don't panic yet, but on the same token don't hold your breath, just accept that staff has the RPG at heart and not their poor fingers or egos.

[Raditzu]

Originally posted by Borgos
Nuh uh. It's easy to say that when you're not applying for the race in question. It'd be like me saying the Buus would fit into non-transformer/human physiology. With that kind of mindset, why even have races, when we can just have a Tier System?

Actually, the abilities and techniques for "Humans" were written in order to be very customizable and intentionally vague. Example, one of the "human" powerups is called "Inner Strength." For a vampire, that could mean that they grow fangs, wings, and wolf-like claws.

For the most part, I agree that there are many aspects of the Buu "race" that are not accurately represented in any single race as they stand.

And Gokua... wtf u maek me cry

EDIT: I always keep my ego at heart.

=O

[Tobias]

Oh I forgot you existed.

[OldFrieza]

Originally posted by Raditzu

Originally posted by Borgos
Nuh uh. It's easy to say that when you're not applying for the race in question. It'd be like me saying the Buus would fit into non-transformer/human physiology. With that kind of mindset, why even have races, when we can just have a Tier System?

Actually, the abilities and techniques for "Humans" were written in order to be very customizable and intentionally vague. Example, one of the "human" powerups is called "Inner Strength." For a vampire, that could mean that they grow fangs, wings, and wolf-like claws.

For the most part, I agree that there are many aspects of the Buu "race" that are not accurately represented in any single race as they stand.

And Gokua... wtf u maek me cry

EDIT: I always keep my ego at heart.

=O

Just a question does that mean that instead of being a changeling like zarbon for the transformaion over from human looking to human/wolf looking for my custom character would have be stuck udner human and be used under this inner strength power up?

[Bojack]

Originally posted by Raditzu
Example, one of the "human" powerups is called "Inner Strength."

Where is this mentioned? Or are you just leaking some inter-staffer developments?

[Raditzu]

Its was a leak. Powerups and abilities have not been released yet, as there's still some fine-tuning to do.

[Aero]

In actuality, humans have no transformations in the show, but they just can't do that here, because no one would be human.

If you can recall, the only thing a human ever got in the show was Unlocked Potential, which wasn't a transformation, it was just when Guru unlocked the power that laid dormant inside. Other than that small misconception of being a transformation, they have none; they just reveal their entire power in one blinding aura.

[Raditzu]

Originally posted by Gokua
In actuality, humans have no transformations in the show, but they just can't do that here, because no one would be human.

You understand that I use "humans" in place of saying Non-transformers because its shorter, right?

No one said humans can transform. None of their powerups directly say they are transformations, but they also don't say they can't be transformations. The term "Non-transformer" shouldn't be taken literally on Chubbs, since all it means is "a race that isn't Namekian, Saiyan, Android, or Changeling."

As I was pointing out with Borgos, the "human" race was created to be deliberately vague so it could encompass any "other" race.

[Aero]

That's what the term "Mutant" is for. Many races can transform, and to label them as "Non-Transformers" seems to be a little unjust.


Also, I want to recommend something. =D


I think there should be a few casual items that increase Ki. In the Bojcak movie, if you were smart enough, you might have picked up at the jewelry that Bojack and Gokua wore shimmered when they were about to transform. To me, that alluded to the jewelry being the cause of the transformation. These items would be capable of using by all races too. Maybe as a small multiplier that increased your Ki, regardless of transformation.

ex. (Does not actually use real multipliers on Chubbs): Normal Ki: 1,000,000; SSJ Ki: 10,000,000; w/Increasing Item on SSJ: 12,000,000.



Just a thought.

[Raditzu]

Borgos: I have no idea what you mean by a "tier" system. As I already stated, we're tossing around ideas for "classifications" or "sub-races" which will allow you to be a "human" but also listed as "demonic" or some such.

Gokua: "Human" and "Non-transformers" are just placeholder names until we come up with something that more adequately describes the race. You just have to understand that when we say "non-transformer" it doesn't mean you can't transform. It doesn't have to make sense, you just have to go with it.

The term "mutant" is just as much a misnomer because not everyone will be able to mutate or be the result of a mutation. We'll think of something. In the meantime I'm going to keep using "human."

Ki-increasing items are in effect now and we have no reason to get rid of them. They're a nice way to augment your strength, give you a slight edge, or burn your zeni on. The specifics of new power-increasing items hasn't been completely decided, but they'll be there, don't worry.

[Aero]

ah, ok, my good man. Thanks.

[Raditzu]

Maybe we do have a tier system, maybe we don't. I'm quite confident in what we've come up with for powerups, though.

[Belle Hibiki]

Thing with Buus is that, if racial abilities actually start to count for something (they're just flavor now), Buus are next to impossible to balance because of the sheer amount of shit they can do in the canon. Every villain had to have the abilities of every villain before him and more in DBZ . Frieza could transform, Androids had a limitless power supply, Cell could transform/absorb (androids)/ had everyone's techs/could regenerate from a single cell, and Buu had all of the above (minus PERHAPS the tech things, although he learned at a blazing pace) and insane regenerative powers.

So yeah, I see where they're a problem. I honestly don't have any inspired suggestions or anything. Maybe Buus should start out with a limited form of regeneration and body manipulation automatically, with the potential to learn the rest of their racial abilities through extensive, hard judged Training threads. Most of those abilities are good shit that would require a Staff saga to get, so the ability to *train* for them alone, I think, would be a sort of Racial "advantage".

[Raditzu]

No races will just start with any racial abilities. If we made a Buu race, it just means they would have access to their various abilities. Whether or not they were ever earned would be up to the player.

It would be tricky to balance, but not impossible. They don't have to be nearly as possible on Chubbs as they were in the show, either.

[Aqua]

Aqua starts with the ability to breathe under water right?

[Raditzu]

No one will start with any abilities.

The only possible exceptions to that might be people who currently have characters being able to keep something. This is completely undecided. I mention it only as a remote possibility.

[Aqua]

OK... I mean my guy is a fish but it wouldn't be a huge deal for me to go through the motions to get my ability to breathe under water back. I guess I'll just wait and see what you guys put out there.