Powerups

[Talys]

If we were to make a generic character would we be able to have the powerups effect their physical appearance like we can now? Or would that just change their race then?

[Raditzu]

Originally posted by ep1c
If we were to make a generic character would we be able to have the powerups effect their physical appearance like we can now? Or would that just change their race then?

That'll definitely be allowed, as the Generic race encompasses all forms of aliens and whatnot that we haven't accounted for in the other races.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Raditzu

Originally posted by ep1c
If we were to make a generic character would we be able to have the powerups effect their physical appearance like we can now? Or would that just change their race then?

That'll definitely be allowed, as the Generic race encompasses all forms of aliens and whatnot that we haven't accounted for in the other races.

Of course the changes wouldn't be extreme, other wise that person would be a changling. Only minor physical changes would be allowed like hair/skin/eye color. Growing wings and a horn- you're a changling.

[Reijin]

Originally posted by Kakarot

Originally posted by Raditzu

Originally posted by ep1c
If we were to make a generic character would we be able to have the powerups effect their physical appearance like we can now? Or would that just change their race then?

That'll definitely be allowed, as the Generic race encompasses all forms of aliens and whatnot that we haven't accounted for in the other races.

Of course the changes wouldn't be extreme, other wise that person would be a changling. Only minor physical changes would be allowed like hair/skin/eye color. Growing wings and a horn- you're a changling.

Well... On that end Josh, I could picture someone growing archangel wings or demon wings or something for their transformation, as long as they still look human or whatever. You know what I mean?

[Drake]

Originally posted by Reijin

Originally posted by Kakarot

Originally posted by Raditzu

Originally posted by ep1c
If we were to make a generic character would we be able to have the powerups effect their physical appearance like we can now? Or would that just change their race then?

That'll definitely be allowed, as the Generic race encompasses all forms of aliens and whatnot that we haven't accounted for in the other races.

Of course the changes wouldn't be extreme, other wise that person would be a changling. Only minor physical changes would be allowed like hair/skin/eye color. Growing wings and a horn- you're a changling.

Well... On that end Josh, I could picture someone growing archangel wings or demon wings or something for their transformation, as long as they still look human or whatever. You know what I mean?

I am just trying to emphasize that we'll allow it to an extent, otherwise you're going to get kicked into the changling pile.

[Belle Hibiki]

Originally posted by Kakarot

Originally posted by Reijin

Originally posted by Kakarot

Originally posted by Raditzu

Originally posted by ep1c
If we were to make a generic character would we be able to have the powerups effect their physical appearance like we can now? Or would that just change their race then?

That'll definitely be allowed, as the Generic race encompasses all forms of aliens and whatnot that we haven't accounted for in the other races.

Of course the changes wouldn't be extreme, other wise that person would be a changling. Only minor physical changes would be allowed like hair/skin/eye color. Growing wings and a horn- you're a changling.

Well... On that end Josh, I could picture someone growing archangel wings or demon wings or something for their transformation, as long as they still look human or whatever. You know what I mean?

I am just trying to emphasize that we'll allow it to an extent, otherwise you're going to get kicked into the changling pile.

So adding or subtracting a single major trait, or a few minor traits, is probably Generic, from what I understand?

Major restructuring and shifting would be Changeling. You could think of it as the difference between Goku-> SSJ Goku and 1st Form Frieza -> 2nd Form Frieza.

Goku's hair and eye color changed. Maybe a slight increase in muscle mass.

Frieza like over tripled in height, massive muscle expansion, horns grew immensely and changed, body armor changed... Pretty much damn near everything changed in some way.

[Reijin]

If you go from some Human looking creature into a four armed 60ft tall dragon with a laser canon mounted on your forehead, not only will we not allow that for Generic, we'll probably ban you.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Kid Buu

Originally posted by Kakarot

Originally posted by Reijin

Originally posted by Kakarot

Originally posted by Raditzu

Originally posted by ep1c
If we were to make a generic character would we be able to have the powerups effect their physical appearance like we can now? Or would that just change their race then?

That'll definitely be allowed, as the Generic race encompasses all forms of aliens and whatnot that we haven't accounted for in the other races.

Of course the changes wouldn't be extreme, other wise that person would be a changling. Only minor physical changes would be allowed like hair/skin/eye color. Growing wings and a horn- you're a changling.

Well... On that end Josh, I could picture someone growing archangel wings or demon wings or something for their transformation, as long as they still look human or whatever. You know what I mean?

I am just trying to emphasize that we'll allow it to an extent, otherwise you're going to get kicked into the changling pile.

So adding or subtracting a single major trait, or a few minor traits, is probably Generic, from what I understand?

Major restructuring and shifting would be Changeling. You could think of it as the difference between Goku-> SSJ Goku and 1st Form Frieza -> 2nd Form Frieza.

Goku's hair and eye color changed. Maybe a slight increase in muscle mass.

Frieza like over tripled in height, massive muscle expansion, horns grew immensely and changed, body armor changed... Pretty much damn near everything changed in some way.

Yeah one major trait or a few minor traits would be okay, like growing wings or your eyes, hair and skin color changing should be fine.

But if you gain mass, grow horns, wings, change your skin colour, etc then it's changling.

[Kirano]

Originally posted by Reijin
If you go from some Human looking creature into a four armed 60ft tall dragon with a laser canon mounted on your forehead, not only will we not allow that for Generic, we'll probably ban you.

Okay okay check this. What if say someone is a 4ft 5 green haired changeling with horns on their head, elf ears and a tail, wants to transform into a 5ft 10 green haired human for their next form. Would that be allowed?

Oh and would we be allowed to edit the name of our races transformations?

This is an example:

Say for generic the transformations called Generic growth (x20). Would we be allowed to change the name to Super Surge (x20)

(x20) = twenty times to physycal stats. So everyone knows.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Bulma

Originally posted by Reijin
If you go from some Human looking creature into a four armed 60ft tall dragon with a laser canon mounted on your forehead, not only will we not allow that for Generic, we'll probably ban you.

Okay okay check this. What if say someone is a 4ft 5 green haired changeling with horns on their head, elf ears and a tail, wants to transform into a 5ft 10 green haired human for their next form. Would that be allowed?

Oh and would we be allowed to edit the name of our races transformations?

This is an example:

Say for generic the transformations called Generic growth (x20). Would we be allowed to change the name to Super Surge (x20)

(x20) = twenty times to physycal stats. So everyone knows.

1) That'd be changling

2) Yes you can call it whatever you want, or attribute it to whatever you want but it will show up on your roster as whatever we originally called it.

[Kirano]

Kay thanks.

[Pink Underoo]

This is all very nice, the kind of stuff I wanted to happen years ago. There are a few gripes I have, though.

I appreciate that CDBZ has it's own style apart and seperate from the manga, and how it's been established by the community, but there are some manga standards that would go a long way towards the "personal and customizable characters" idea.

For one, the stat multipliers are too bland, imho. Each race should have more variation in this aspect. For instance, in the manga the Saiya-jins super transformation initially gave the bonus of x2.5 physicals and went up to something like x10 before ascending to the next level, which could fit in perfectly to this system. Of course, this would require more race-specific dynamics, like Saiya-jins base stats would grow at a faster rate (ie: 1 XP = +2 physical stat points).

Then, on the other side the changlings would have stronger transformations but slower stat growth. Etc etc and so forth.

And all transformations that give stat multiplication should have Brilliant Ki, reguardless of rank, with seperate abilities that allow limited stealth while at lower transformed states like this Dark Ki thing I've been hearing about.

[Kirano]

Originally posted by Mighty Dabura
Each race should have more variation in this aspect. For instance, in the manga the Saiya-jins super transformation initially gave the bonus of x2.5 physicals and went up to something like x10 before ascending to the next level, which could fit in perfectly to this system. Of course, this would require more race-specific dynamics, like Saiya-jins base stats would grow at a faster rate (ie: 1 XP = +2 physical stat points).

Then, on the other side the changlings would have stronger transformations but slower stat growth. Etc etc and so forth.

And all transformations that give stat multiplication should have Brilliant Ki, reguardless of rank, with seperate abilities that allow limited stealth while at lower transformed states like this Dark Ki thing I've been hearing about.

That's actually a good idea.

[Bra]

No, not really.

We're trying to make this system balance itself. We're not going to have some people rip through the ki ranking and stamp out anyone who -might- surpass them five years down the road.

Cool idea for an anime? Hey, it worked. Pulled down some serious coin. But for an RPG? I don't like it.

[Pink Underoo]

Five years? Wouldn't it be time for another reset by then? I'm going trying to think of different avenues of power-climbng beyond transformations, because the current system essentially gives invincibility to whoever has the highest transformation level, particularly compared to others who don't want to transform.

[Kirano]

I pray to go God that there will be no more resets after this.

[Pink Underoo]

Yeah, but even if there arn't any more resets, the system could be refined and adjusted over time to suit any future problems.

It's not like the first CDBZ was perfect, or the current system was perfected after so many changes, or the new system is going to be perfect right out of the proverbial box. :O

[Raditzu]

Originally posted by Mighty Dabura
because the current system essentially gives invincibility to whoever has the highest transformation level, particularly compared to others who don't want to transform.

I don't see how you came to that conclusion.

[Pink Underoo]

If Character A and Character B are both twice as strong as Character C, and Character C uses Super Saiya-jin C-Rank (x10) he suddenly becomes five times as strong as the two opponents. The Berserk ability might hinder the transformer, but unless he's punching himself in the face there's not much chance of the other two winning.

And that's just a hypothetical situation. Obviously, the older (and stronger) characters would have better transformations, thus increasing the power gap to essential invincibility reguardless of race match-up. This will encourage the community to make a mad dash for stats early on, and transformations later. It's essentially the same problem the RPG has today.

And I see that some of the new races have different types of power-ladders to climb (one has robotics skills, for instance), but the warrior races (saiyan, clangling) are still very uniform. Let me change the example I had, and you'll see it's not too different from what you're doing:

Saiya-jin: fast physical growth with weak/dangerous transformations
Tsufuru-jin: fast mental growth with lots of abilities
Changling: slow overall growth with stronger/more transformations
Generic: balanced

What I'm saying is that stat growth can be really flexible and dynamic, and it would be a shame and detrimental to the RPG to leave it as it is. If you just adjust the rules a little bit to make each race more seperate from the others then members will be encouraged to choose a character for their roleplaying identity, which seems to be the direction you're trying to go in, and that this would really help out.

[Pink Underoo]

editing time limit x_X;

Namek-jins: fast overall growth and easy fusions
Androids: zero physical growth, purchases enhancements with zeni

The stat multipliers and tech XP costs would be in the hands of the staff, so there's always a measure of control. :E