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mlk - Jack - 01-19-2009
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mlk - Belle Hibiki - 01-19-2009
Took me a while to remember that it was MLK day because all the news channels were talking about was ObamaObamaObama.
You might as well just call this BO Day.
mlk - Jack - 01-19-2009
BO? Blacks only?
Obama's day is tomorrow, wtf. This is Martin Luther King Jr's day, assholes, play dem classicz.
mlk - Jonathan Meer - 01-19-2009
I <3 plagiarizers
mlk - Rem-13 - 01-19-2009
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/mlking.asp
also plagiarism or not, you cant deny he was a dynamic piece in the civil rights movement in action and an essential figure head and martyr for the cause
mlk - Jonathan Meer - 01-20-2009
Essential figurehead, sure. Someone has to be in our modern age, whether or not they really provide the impetus or drive. I'm not going to make a value judgment on MLK's contribution to civil rights, but I do know that it was far more than just the work of one individual, no matter how famous. He's an icon. Still, a Nobel Peace Prize is nothing to scoff at.
At any rate, he certainly wasn't a martyr. Martyrdom implies self-sacrifice. King's death did not result from a willful action of King (who was shot by a rifle while standing upon a balcony). He was a man who believed something strongly, was well-known for it, and was killed for it. This a martyr does not make.
EDIT: For the record, I'm not trying to be one of those dicks that shoves around demeaning information for the fun of it. I'm emphasizing his humanity.
mlk - Belle Hibiki - 01-20-2009
Martyrdom is not only just a choice on the part of the individual. It means "One who makes great sacrifices or suffers much in order to further a belief, cause, or principle.
Ex., people don't like to "make a martyr" out of important counter-culture icons, because doing so tends to galvanize the base. It's not solely a choice of the individual being persecuted.
mlk - Waffuru - 01-20-2009
You don't even need to be killed to become a Martyr for your cause.
mlk - Jonathan Meer - 01-20-2009
*shrug*
Language is relative enough to make anything of it.
Maybe I'll be a martyr someday.
mlk - Waffuru - 01-20-2009
ex Martin Luther's excommunication for the Protestant Reformation. Not dead, still a martyr.
mlk - Jonathan Meer - 01-20-2009
Strictly speaking, that's still tricky. Luther basically gave the pope the middle finger after the first papal bull, which spoke of tentative excommunication. The real excommunication followed. While there was a ton of suffering in Luther's life, I'm not sure it stemmed from the pope's excommunication.
mlk - Rem-13 - 01-20-2009
I think the point being pushed is martydom has more to do with the person's influence than his intentions.
mlk - Jonathan Meer - 01-20-2009
Which is an entirely untraditional application of the term, that requires a huge amount of semantic license.
mlk - Jack - 01-20-2009
Lighten up.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hbQN_r2rKyw
mlk - Jesper - 01-20-2009
...why does that not offend you?
mlk - Jack - 01-20-2009
Why would it?
mlk - Shun - 01-20-2009
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mlk - Jack - 01-20-2009
Oh, wtf. Seriously? Of all the things that have been posted here, THAT evokes a negative response? <.<
Did you all SEE the Hitler rap?
mlk - Shun - 01-20-2009
Hitler Rap?
mlk - Rem-13 - 01-20-2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpRqvCps_MQ
I've never seen it here but I assume this is what he's talking about