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We Want to Know - Raditzu - 12-30-2006
A similar thread was posted in the 18+ forum, but I, for one, would like to hear what other members have to say as well.
There have been a lot of complaints about staff (it quickly becomes hard to tell where it was just a few complaints from a lot of people or a lot of complaints from a few people) but no one seems to want to be really straight forward about it.
We want to know what you think staff is doing that is detrimental to the RPG.
Please be completely honest. As long as you stay civil about things, you don't have to worry about any kind of reproach or warning as a result of what is said here.
We Want to Know - Tobias - 12-30-2006
It's a two way problem. Heres the deal.
The staff knows what's best.
The members know what's best.
These conflict.
We Want to Know - Drake - 12-30-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Garlic Jr
It's a two way problem. Heres the deal.
The staff knows what's best.
The members think they know what's best.
These conflict.
Corrected.
We Want to Know - Krillin - 12-30-2006
I love how a complicated problem can be whittled down to a simple pair of phrases.
We Want to Know - Banned Monster Carrot - 12-30-2006
I like most the staff like HF 17 and celipa, but Burter can be very intimidating. I spoke my voice on what I thought about Dana and burter closed the thread and gave me a warning. Sometimes Im actually afraid to make A post in the aslyum because I Think Burter will close it if I speak my voice on something he dislikes.
Don't get me wrong Burter's a cool staff member and he helps me with problems, but sometimes his unfair judgements give chubbs a communist feeling.
These are just my thoughts out loud. I am NOT trying to bash anyone.
We Want to Know - Whompt - 12-30-2006
He closed the thread and warned you not because you were speaking your mind. He did it because you had restarted a closed thread; a thread that was closed because of how people were reacting to it. He didn't want the argument simply moving to a new thread. That'd just negate the purpose of locking it in the first place, right?
Edit: Hehe! I win, Rei.
We Want to Know - Reijin - 12-30-2006
You are avoiding the point. You were not warned for "saying something Burter didn't like". You were warned for restarting a locked topic. Topics are locked to end discussion on topics that are causing a problem with flaming or are otherwise angry. You ignored the lock completely and restarted it, which basically slapped us in the face.
We Want to Know - Banned Monster Carrot - 12-30-2006
Quote:posted by spopovich-He closed the thread and warned you not because you were speaking your mind. He did it because you had restarted a closed thread; a thread that was closed because of how people were reacting to it. He didn't want the argument simply moving to a new thread. That'd just negate the purpose of locking it in the first place, right?
If anyone else would have wrirtten this I would argue, But from my experience on this site I've learned that pretty much all the advice you give me is helpful. I guess I was the one who was judging Burter a little to fast not the other way around.
Burter sorry for getting mad at you over something stupid.
We Want to Know - Talys - 12-30-2006
The staff's fine it's just that most of the newer members are completely unaware of the regulations that you guys set down years ago. The only way they are taught now, though, is with warnings that frustrate them. Kinda like the card game Mau, if anyone knows what I'm talking about. They all know that they're supposed to read the rules before joining, but most probably think them to be the same old "don't spam", "no profanity", "no pornography" stuff that's on every other site. Basically what I'm saying is that there are quite a few people out there that don't grasp the standards set by our own staff.
And then there are cases like Dana, who just heard stuff he wasn't supposed to hear. . .by breaking into the staff forum. . .well. . .don't really have an answer for that. . .
We Want to Know - Banned Monster Carrot - 12-30-2006
I Sorry for getting mad at burter and all reijin but why do you use so many metaphors and similies about Hitting people.
Quote:Posted by Reijin : "which basically slapped us in the face. "
Quote:Posted by Reijin: This is like someone going to your house and punching you in the face
We Want to Know - Reijin - 12-30-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Monster Carrot
I Sorry for getting mad at burter and all reijin but why do you use so many metaphors and similies about Hitting people.
Quote:Posted by Reijin : "which basically slapped us in the face. "
Quote:Posted by Reijin: This is like someone going to your house and punching you in the face
I'm a violent person.
Its like when you are kicking puppies and someone gives you that look.
We Want to Know - Super Buu - 12-30-2006
ROFL, I don't know why, but that's hilarious. I didn't actually notice that before. XD
We Want to Know - Reijin - 12-30-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Super Buu
ROFL, I don't know why, but that's hilarious. I didn't actually notice that before. XD
I don't see why not. I use metaphors for everything. Sorta like when I'm rubbing off a frog and someone kicks me.
We Want to Know - Banned Monster Carrot - 12-30-2006
Quote:posted by reijin- I'm a violent person.
Well with my questions being answered I really must confess that this post helped me out a lot. Im now officially OK with the staff.
We Want to Know - Tobias - 12-30-2006
I know how unlike me this sounds but... uh... maybe we should not spam. So people's questions are clearly asked and clearly answered without the gook in between.
EDIT by Cel: Wasn't trying to be spammy, Garlic. =P. I deleted the post anyway though.
I was talkign more about the Rei violence ark.
Miscommunication gives birth to dissent, I just figured a more direct environment will clear things up.
We Want to Know - Burter - 12-30-2006
Just thought I'd post and clarify I did read what was posted about me
We Want to Know - Grandpa Gohan - 12-30-2006
"Detrimental" isn't the word I would use, nor even in the same ballpark. I think staff are doing a wonderful job, especially with all the bullshit they have to put up with.
Seriously, Waff made a post a looooong while back, "we should add whats the circumfrence of a 10x10x10 cube?" or something. There are a few members that I've actualy contemplated asking this; though no need to mention names.
@ ep1c, I don't think thats entirely true. The rules are there, just whether or not they read them or not. I know I asked many questions when I first came, and probably got on staffs nerves. I know I still have a lot of unanswered questions, but I'll save them for a time when I really need to know, or would like to know. People know not to post completely OOC in the IC forums. yes, I've done it, and I was given a verbal warning not to do it again, and thus far I havent.
I do think it comes down to this though; Staff give people a verbal warning, not to mention many chances, yet they still do it. And then when they get warned, they're like "WTF Staff, I dint do nothing!!11".
@MC: Burter IS intimidating, though from what I hear he can be a nice guy. I suppose thats true, cause god knows when I was new here, he put up with a lot of my shit. Burter is also one of the most helpful staff on here. He runs most of the sagas, and by george, they're fucking amasing. He's an excellent story teller and that only adds to the sagas. He updates a lot(dont get me wrong, heffers, and the other staff do too), and he contributes a lot to the site.
@ Bebi: I was one of the people bashing on Dana, Though I was more replying to differant things that were posted, I was still generally "disrespectful" towards Dana. Am I sorry? No. I know I'm not a representative of staff in anyway, but they basically drew the line in the sand and said "Cross it and you're done". Not only did he cross it, he lept over it whilst pole vualting. He also hurt every single member on chubbs by doing so. So if a few individuals wanna take a pot shot at Dana, Im fine with that.
Don't get me wrong though bebi, I completely respect your opinion, Im just sharing one from the other side of the line. =)
Edit to Burter: Well read that then =O
We Want to Know - Broli - 12-30-2006
I feel like staff lacks a unity that you would expect in a team that's working together to make Chubbs better. I feel like this is an issue that has been cancerous even as far back as when I was on staff. When Chubbs Idol was happening, I talked to Bardock and gave him some tips on how to be a great moderator. One of the things I mentioned was to set an example to the other members.
I feel that not just one staff member, but multiple staffers fall short of this. Now, it may just be me, and you guys may have no problem with it at all. Basically, I see staff members rip on each other over an issue. I feel like two staff members in particular hate each others guts, and while it's ok to not particularly like a person, it may be a problem if it's obvious to members that those people don't get along. Things like warnings where another staff member posts, "Oh, well, *I* don't agree with that." just don't belong on the public forums. Issues between staff members should be taken to the private forums, more specifically the Staff Forum. It gives off the impression, "Wow, how can these guys work together? And if they can't work together, can they get anything done?" I may be jumping the gun a bit, but I just feel like staff, being a team, doesn't really fit the role of a team. You guys don't really seem to work well together. And sometimes, it can be frustrating to watch two staff members argue and just all around be a poor example to the RPG.
Another issue would be looking a few steps ahead. Opening a thread for Dana being banned wasn't intended to lead to him being bashed, but that's exactly what happened. That's a problem of staff not looking ahead and seeing that possibility. Staff has the role of being able to foresee what problems may occur in the future and must be able to take actions to prevent those issues. Granted, staff is naturally flawed due to the fact that no one is perfect, and it's possible that the whole thinking ahead with Dana fell through the cracks.
I will say that I like that Raditzu has taken the steps to publicly ask what staff is doing wrong. Doing this started a while back, and I've loved it every time because it gives the members a chance to be able to give constructive criticism and suggestions in an appropriate setting.
That all being said, staff, overall is doing a good job. I don't think it's the best staff we've ever had, but I'm excited to see each staff member, especially those newly promoted, rise to their potential.
I also encourage members to think about staff's performance as a whole rather than it's dealings with the whole Dana topic lately.
We Want to Know - Burter - 12-30-2006
I don't know what two staffers you're talking about Broli, but if it's me and HF, we've made up
We Want to Know - Raditzu - 12-30-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Bebi
Also the Chubbs mini RPG...was that necessary,(insult to injury) but I don't have a problem with it....=)
17 was Co-Owner of FoF and responsible for a large majority of the content that was put into the RPG. He did that because it was a Roleplaying concept he enjoyed and wanted to continue. Reijin and myself both gave 17 the "ok" to host a mini-version of the RPG he put so much time and effort into. While the concept is not a jab at Dana, I can certainly see how the name would appear that way.
That's easily changable if it becomes a problem, though.