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Extremely Important - OldYamcha - 01-09-2007
Schweet. After reading the whole 6 pages of this thread, I have come to a conclusion! >=(
...I wanna be a human... >.>
I hate being a Saiyan...
Oh, and I trust staff, they say it's going to be good, it's probably going to be...
Extremely Important - Grandpa Gohan - 01-09-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Aqua
I respect your longevity here, i just don't see the benefit in your reasoning for me as an individual RPer.
That's where yor thinking is flawed. It's not to benifit the indivdual, well it is, but more so its for Chubbs. Staff make their decisions on whats best for chubbs, not the individuals who write here(though one can assume this goes hand in hand).
Edited that, and dont take it to heart, its not a personal attack(the first sentence).
Extremely Important - Vegeta - 01-09-2007
The benefit is in huge new possibilties.
Also, I think it will be a lot of fun to try to stay on top of the ki list. Post you awesome personal training and actually move up in power. That'll be a first. Since you won't move at the exact same rate as everyone around you it will give you the ability to advance in power.
Extremely Important - Aqua - 01-09-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Waffuru
It's really boring at the top. This is not an RPG about picking daisies, it's an RPG about an epic power struggle that no longer exists.
I mean, you have to admit that the current system is flawed when sagas are run and the stats are completely ignored. We want the stats to be a reflection of your character, your roleplaying activity and quality NOT a reflection of how long you've been here, as they currently are.
First: @ bulma: So we're keeping our items eh? So what am I to do with my most expensive item (The bio suit)? I'll get to keep that? So Ill start out with a huge power boost and others wont? You guys wouldn't do that, I'm certain, but what then? Would I get compensated for the cost of the suit? I mean really... there's really no applying something like this fairly across the board
@ waff. I know what you guys are trying to do and I support it. Perhaps you don't understand what Im suggesting. Basically, im saying you take all current base ki levels, down size them on a consistant scale conducive to the new system such that those who have earned a higher PL still have some reward for all their work and devoted time. However, you make the conversion such that the "super powers" are reachable within a certain amount of time. Point blank, i dont desrve to be on the same level as rad or rei yet on chubbs. I havent earned it. Whether he wants it or not, he deserves to keep his top power level. What that is exactly, and how far ahead is up to you guys. Just set the conversion accordingly.
edit: @ GG: I understand why staff makes the decisions they do. Im voicing my concerns in order to determine whether I want to stay or not. T
Extremely Important - Vegeta - 01-09-2007
Likely, your items will be removed. Perhaps a static (the same for everyone) zeni refund will be included.
As for your conversion system, it is possible and will be considered.
Extremely Important - Aqua - 01-09-2007
The zeni compensation wouldnt work either. People like rad who have every item would just have enough zeni to buy up every new item and be right back on top again.
And as for the conversion.. honestly, just PM me some numbers (peramters of the new system) and I can work something out relating to the base ki. Formulas like this have been my bread and butter on RPGs since forever.
I hope you guys don't take my resistance as hostile. I am trying to help in my own way. I know I'm not making things easy, but if you wanted things easy you wouldnt have made this thread. I know you value member feed back so Im trying to help where ever i can.
Extremely Important - Vegeta - 01-09-2007
I said a static refund... So like 2,000 zeni for everyone.
Not a ton but more than the newcomers would get.
Extremely Important - OldYamcha - 01-09-2007
Uhm, Aqua? He meant that you can have all the items in the RPG, or you can have just one and you get the same amount of zeni. o.o
EDIT: Ninja'd.
Extremely Important - Kirano - 01-09-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Aqua
The zeni compensation wouldnt work either. People like rad who have every item would just have enough zeni to buy up every new item and be right back on top again.
I'm sure there is a way staff will balance things in a fair way. I doubt they'd want Rad to be Uuber again.
Extremely Important - Old Pigero - 01-09-2007
Can I be the masked wrestler known as Pigeon... or straight up just a pigeon...XD
Extremely Important - Aqua - 01-09-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Waffuru
I said a static refund... So like 2,000 zeni for everyone.
Not a ton but more than the newcomers would get.
OK, didn't get the static part. I guess that's better than nothing. here's a suggestion, how abut you teir people off in ki level. So, for example, group people in groups of 5 or ten and give them corresponding ki levels.
So let's say you want to start everyone with a ki level of 1,000,000.
All the teirs would be members who where here pre-switch.
The first teir would be the last ten on the ki list. Their ki level could start at 1,100,000. The next ten would be the secnd teir and they could start at 1,200,000. Etc etc. I dunno where you want to start ki level at, but you get the basic idea. You can go more in deapth with this, breaking it down by individual rank at the time ofthe switch.
aka: the last place on the roster gets ki level 1,001,000
second to last place gets 1,002,000
and work it all the way up to Rad.
Make sense?
Extremely Important - Kirano - 01-09-2007
New system ftw.
Extremely Important - Grandpa Gohan - 01-09-2007
hm.
Will we still recieve a weekly TP ammount? Or moreso based on individual posts/every couple posts?
This is sounded more similar to a system I know quite well; it was one used on KissDBZ way back.
Every post(or about that), would be graded and the staff would be like "raise you ki by X%"(Ki was the only stat we had).
Extremely Important - Aqua - 01-09-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Waffuru
Likely, your items will be removed. Perhaps a static (the same for everyone) zeni refund will be included.
As for your conversion system, it is possible and will be considered.
Bulma, we're talking about this ^ right now.
and Toma, I knew what he was saying. what I was saying is that Rad has every item in the RPG currently. If he is allowed to keep those items, he will be uber at re-set. If he is given zeni for them, he can buy new items and be uber. Any combo there of would make him uber. But he clarified and said that peoplewith items would simply be given 2,000 falt out. static. no more no less.
Hope that clears up what im saying to you two.
^_^
Extremely Important - Broli - 01-09-2007
I trust Kakarot, above all else.
Extremely Important - Belle Hibiki - 01-09-2007
IMO, if characters are already getting to keep some of their abilities on the transfer, that's plenty of a beginning boost.
Seriously, for such a great group of writers, some of you are placing waaaaaaay too much emphasis on zeni and powerlevel. That's my opinion, anyway.
Extremely Important - Vegeta - 01-09-2007
I'm leaving the forums for a while so don't expect any speedy replies after this.
Extremely Important - Aqua - 01-09-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Sno
IMO, if characters are already getting to keep some of their abilities on the transfer, that's plenty of a beginning boost.
Seriously, for such a great group of writers, some of you are placing waaaaaaay too much emphasis on zeni and powerlevel. That's my opinion, anyway.
Well Im not so worried about the zeni, but as I said above, the power level iswhat makes this a game and, for me, is what makes this worth doing in the first place.
Here is what I was talking about guys:
Name / Base PL now: / PL after switch:
1. Raditzu /4,235,000 /+ 75 to whatever the newbs get
2. Reijin 3,081,375 + 74to whatever the newbs get
3. Android-18 3,055,250 + 73 to whatever the newbs get
4. Metal Koola 3,048,625 + 72 to whatever the newbs get
5. Bra 2,816,000 + 71 to whatever the newbs get
6. Burter 2,784,925 +70 to whatever the newbs get
7. Garlic Jr 2,681,250 + 69 to whatever the newbs get
8. Kakarot 2,675,750 + 68 to whatever the newbs get
9. Goten 2,640,000 + 67 to whatever the newbs get
10. Pikkon MIA for more then two weeks! 2,588,300 + 66 to whatever the newbs get
11. Cell 2,502,500 + 65 to whatever the newbs get
12. Bardock 2,431,000 + 64 to whatever the newbs get
13. Gohan 2,352,625 + 63 to whatever the newbs get
14. Minoshia MIA for more then two weeks! 2,312,750 + 62 to whatever the newbs get
15. Broli 2,145,000 + 61 to whatever the newbs get
16. Zarbon 1,930,450 + 60 to whatever the newbs get
17. Hell Fighter 17 1,849,375 + 59 to whatever the newbs get
18. Super Buu 1,753,125 + 58 to whatever the newbs get
19. Android 17 1,728,375 +57 to whatever the newbs get
20. Violet MIA for more then two weeks! 1,641,750 + 56 to whatever the newbs get
21. Jackie Chun 1,608,750 + 55 to whatever the newbs get
22. Android 20 1,533,125 + 54 to whatever the newbs get
23. Yamu MIA for more then two weeks! 1,496,000 + 53 to whatever the newbs get
24. Piccolo Daimoun 1,436,875 + 51 to whatever the newbs get
25. Krillin MIA for more then two weeks! 1,402,500 + 51 to whatever the newbs get
26. Celipa 1,401,125 + 50 to whatever the newbs get
27. Panbuukin MIA for more then two weeks! 1,383,800 + 49 to whatever the newbs get
28. Bulma 1,383,050 + 48 to whatever the newbs get
29. Captain Silver 1,345,375 +47 to whatever the newbs get
30. Aqua 1,297,725 + 46 to whatever the newbs get
31. Murasaki 1,262,250 + 45 to whatever the newbs get
32. Akane Kimidori 1,215,500 + 44 to whatever the newbs get
33. Vejita I 1,208,625 +43 to whatever the newbs get
34. Retane 1,208,625 +42 to whatever the newbs get
35. Paragus 1,176,100 + 41 to whatever the newbs get
36. Android 16 1,172,875 + 40 to whatever the newbs get
37. Raspberry 1,171,225 + 39 to whatever the newbs get
38. Turles 1,169,575 + 38 to whatever the newbs get
39. Jeice 1,167,175 + 37 to whatever the newbs get
40. Hercule 1,146,750 + 36 to whatever the newbs get
41. Sazuaa 1,146,100 + 35 to whatever the newbs get
42. Gokua 1,128,600 + 34 to whatever the newbs get
43. Yamcha 1,114,900 + 33 to whatever the newbs get
44. Toma 1,113,750 + 32 to whatever the newbs get
45. Sno 1,103,300 + 31 to whatever the newbs get
46. Pigero 1,093,125 + 30 to whatever the newbs get
47. Spopovich 1,092,350 + 29 to whatever the newbs get
48. Cargo 1,080,750 + 28 to whatever the newbs get
49. Tapion 1,079,975 + 27 to whatever the newbs get
50. Corniss MIA for more then two weeks! 1,065,625 + 26 to whatever the newbs get
51. Pui Pui 1,062,300 + 25 to whatever the newbs get
52. Goku Jr. 1,055,450 + 24 to whatever the newbs get
53. Bojack 1,053,250 + 23 to whatever the newbs get
54. Cell Jr. 1,049,125 + 22 to whatever the newbs get
55. Bujin 1,046,675 + 21 to whatever the newbs get
56. Borgos 1,042,950 + 20 to whatever the newbs get
57. Captain Ginyu MIA for more then two weeks! 1,035,375 + 19 to whatever the newbs get
58. Koola 1,031,250 + 18 to whatever the newbs get
59. King Cold 1,031,250 + 17 to whatever the newbs get
60. Recoome 1,023,825 + 16 to whatever the newbs get
61. Sharpner 1,016,950 + 15 to whatever the newbs get
62. Tenshinhan 1,014,750 + 14 to whatever the newbs get
63. Spice 1,013,650 + 13 to whatever the newbs get
64. Grandpa Gohan 1,010,625 + 2 to whatever the newbs get
65. Mr. Buu 1,010,625 + 11 to whatever the newbs get
66. Frieza 1,010,625 + 10 to whatever the newbs get
67. Dende 1,010,625 + 9 to whatever the newbs get
68. Vegeta 1,005,725 + 8 to whatever the newbs get
69. Chi Chi 1,000,725 + 7 to whatever the newbs get
70. Android 14 999,900 + 6 to whatever the newbs get
71. Yakon 999,900 + 5 to whatever the newbs get
72. Daizu 997,700 + 4 to whatever the newbs get
73. Android 13 997,425 + 3 to whatever the newbs get
74. Android 15 996,875 + 2 to whatever the newbs get
75. Kid Buu / 996,600 /+ 1 to whatever the newbs get
76. Uub 990,000
77. Yajirobe 990,000
78. Nezi 990,000
79. Nail MIA for more then two weeks! 990,000
80. Kollifum 939,850
You take a person's current rank and that determines how much they start out with after the switch. this will eliminate the major gapping whole the super powers have between themsevles and others and still recognizes previous accomplishments.
basicalyl the "+ 1" or + "x" whatever will be up to you guys depending on where you start ki levels at and how far you're willing to put rad ahead of the pack. Hoestly, i dont care how much the + "x" is, i'd just like the see the current rankings transfer over in some form. People earned their ranks through their writing and i think it's only fair to reward that.
Extremely Important - Super Buu - 01-09-2007
Quote:Originally posted by AquaEvery power boosting effort I've made has been in vain.
Quote:Originally posted by Kakarot
Quote:Originally posted by Aqua
This is starting to sound more and more shaky. Pretty much, here is what I'd look to happen if I were to stay (this isn't me being forceful, im just being clear).
-I'd get to keep my char, his history, his non trnasforming moves, and everything else aside from specific stats
-the stats would convert in some way so as to make the power earned thus far not completely mute and null. aka, a conversion ratio, sliding scale, whatever you wanna call it.
Basically, if those above things are all happening, I'm for everything else. If not, I'd like to know so I can just move on now and not waste any more of my time.
No the stats would be gone, set to like 1. You'd keep your character, history, and possibly some techs.
So our items, money, and stats will be wiped leaving us with nothing to show fo the time we've vested in Chubbs save for vague IC references to characters that, on average, won't even exist any more because their users will be switching to custom chars? I can't believe some of you older chars are ok with this. Every power boosting effort you've ever made on this site will be rindered a waste of time by this change. Yeah, i know we are supposed to play here for the sake of writing but in the end this IS a GAME where power is the ultimate indicator of progress. I'm not so thrilled at the prospect of being told that all the rewards for the hours of writing I've done will be erased. I'd like a little more than a character vault reference in my history to show for my efforts. I would think most of the older chars would feel the same if not even stronger... but i guess it's just me.
The fact of the matter is, right now, I could spend months and months doing quests and acquiring TP, and say I'd acquired 40 TP from all those, someone that joined a month before me would still have the advantage in base powerlevel. No matter how hard I try, within the current system the only way of becoming the most powerful is to wait for the veterans to leave.
Personally I'm glad the staff finally seem to have come to their senses.
Waffuru is right - it's gotten to the point where staff were basically saying "we'll balance out the fact that it's impossible to progress beyond your current status with the loophole 'power doesn't matter!'".As for the IC relationships thing - those inevitably break down anyway as people leave and stuff. The only difference is that when people rejoin, old relationships won't be screwed up. A good portion of people (myself included, as long as the option stands, at least for a while) are going to be staying as their current characters.
That said, simply moving the powerlevels closer together might be a nice compensator. As in, if your current powerlevel is 2 million over the starting ki, that gets condensed and 5% of that gets added to your new starting powerlevel. Or something like that - you get the idea. Really as long as I can keep some or all of my techs, I'm not too bothered.
Edit: Or what Aqua just posted. >_>
Question, though - will Kaioken count as a tech? I know it's a multiplier, but it may be coming under some new ruling ... or at least it was, when I last suggesting a renovation for it. >_> Just wond'rin.
Extremely Important - Old Pigero - 01-09-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Pigero
Can I be the masked wrestler known as Pigeon... or straight up just a pigeon...XD