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Mothafuckin' time travel - Sage - 11-03-2009
Time dilation is fact, not theory. Ashe and Josh explained it far more succinctly than I could. But they're right. Except Ashe. Fast stuff does not get heavier unless it's exerting a G-force. You can have something moving incredibly fast and not be any heavier than something at a standstill. Only acceleration adds mass.
Time travel, on the other hand, is pure theory and ...largely debunked.
It's pretty optimistic to think it could ever be possible, and even if it could, time travel ethics are incredibly heavy.
First thing everyone thinks about is "I'm-a go back in time an' kill Hitler/stop the Nazis YEEHAW!!!"
But that's a horrible idea. Imagine how much different the world would be if you did that. Good odds says most of us wouldn't be here. I almost certainly wouldn't exist -- or if I did I'd be an entirely different person. My family fled Nazi Germany in the 40s into Paraguay... well, most of them, anyway. The rest weren't so lucky, from what I've been told. Anyway, somehow I doubt that would have happened if not for the Nazi Party being all crazy.
We'd be amazingly behind our current state technologically at this point as well. Communicating on the internet in 2009 without WWII in the 40s would probably be out of reach, although this is conjecture, it is undeniable that we never advance technology as fast as we do in wartime. And we made massive leaps in WWII.
And those are just two examples. I don't necessarily believe in the butterfly effect but I think there's definitely merit in it. I hate the idea of "man was not meant to know" but in this case it's just a horrible idea to even bother with it.
Besides, the idea that time is a one way street is becoming more and more accepted as... well... as time goes on.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Ashe - 11-03-2009
I probably worded that badly, yeah.
And about time travel. Its pretty much shut down, with the additional kicker of "if time travel is possible, then something from the future would have inevitably come back by now in a massive spans of time."
However, I heard something about a type of atomic particle that they managed to send like a couple seconds or two back through time. Now. I'm not entirely sure of specifics. And I'm not entirely sure how they went about recording this enough to accurately say that this is what they think happened. So take it with a grain of salt. However, this is atomic particles, pretty much energy, to which we are referring, and I wouldn't assume that solid state matter could do the same (not that there is an atomic difference, but I would assume that the structure would be broken on arrival and you risk disintegration of whatever would move through).
Mothafuckin' time travel - Ashe - 11-03-2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel
Mothafuckin' time travel - Tyr - 11-03-2009
Honestly you ought to watch Dr. Who jaxx, I'd love to see a diagram of that series.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Sage - 11-03-2009
Ashe Wrote:I probably worded that badly, yeah.
And about time travel. Its pretty much shut down, with the additional kicker of "if time travel is possible, then something from the future would have inevitably come back by now in a massive spans of time."
However, I heard something about a type of atomic particle that they managed to send like a couple seconds or two back through time. Now. I'm not entirely sure of specifics. And I'm not entirely sure how they went about recording this enough to accurately say that this is what they think happened. So take it with a grain of salt. However, this is atomic particles, pretty much energy, to which we are referring, and I wouldn't assume that solid state matter could do the same (not that there is an atomic difference, but I would assume that the structure would be broken on arrival and you risk disintegration of whatever would move through).
I have no idea if it's the same thing, but I remember reading something about a bunch of scientists making a particle or... something that existed outside of time for a split-second before being destroyed.
...Not sure how they came to that conclusion, or if it was a hoax or not. Either way, it's some Star Trek stuff there, and definitely not something you should just take at face value.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Psyren - 11-03-2009
Ashe Wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel
How dare you trick me into being educated.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Treius - 11-03-2009
Cerion Wrote:Honestly you ought to watch Dr. Who jaxx, I'd love to see a diagram of that series.
Time's not a straight line, it's more of a ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey...stuff.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Tyr - 11-03-2009
Treius Wrote:Time's not a straight line, it's more of a ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey...stuff.Best explaination ever.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Jack - 11-03-2009
Explaination? Why don't you go back in time and spell that right. ahahahahaha
I've always favored the concept that time isn't a straight line. If you go back in time and kill your father, for instance, that just fucks it all up. Because then you go on to not have ever been born to go back in time in the first place. Which means what just happened could and would never happen.
Unless you're now a part of an alternate timeline where you can exist because it's not "yours". You're from another timeline where you were born, and anything you do in the new timeline won't effect the other timeline (which is pretty much gone forever). Time being one straight line makes no sense, at least not in terms of being able to go back. You even being there, even if you're not seen or physically do anything, is changing the way things play out. Sort of like a ripple in the pond, you can't drop anything in a pond without it making ripples. The bigger the rock, the bigger the ripples (assassinating Hitler, for example).
I'm talking in terms of science fiction, and logic. I'm not a scientist. My end of this is more of a "drunken argument" sort of thing.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Tyr - 11-03-2009
Let's not get started on that, I'm far too lazy to start pointing out when you fail.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Jack - 11-03-2009
Those are the only people I bother, just so you know.
well not only, but they get priority 1
Mothafuckin' time travel - Pinky - 11-03-2009
When you're talking about fiction, where laws of physics are replaced with literary devices of convenience, self-sufficient logic has no place. The more you explain it the more obvious the not-reality becomes. It's the incredibly vague sci-fi gobbledegook that makes the best stories, cuz the axiom "less is more" rules supreme.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Sage - 11-04-2009
You can follow good advice and still make a bad product.
The Ford Edsel is a pretty good example.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Josh - 11-04-2009
Bil Baer Jaxx Wrote:srsly: There's hard sci-fi, and then there's Independence Day.
No, independence day is just terribad.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Jack - 11-05-2009
What does this have to do with mothafuckin' time travel?
Mothafuckin' time travel - Vad - 11-05-2009
Do you two have an off switch?
Mothafuckin' time travel - Ashe - 11-05-2009
Bil Baer Jaxx Wrote:What does this have to do with mothafuckin' time travel?
I feel you.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Ashe - 11-05-2009
Separated the two topics.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Waffuru - 11-05-2009
Sage Wrote:First thing everyone thinks about is "I'm-a go back in time an' kill Hitler/stop the Nazis YEEHAW!!!"
But that's a horrible idea. Imagine how much different the world would be if you did that. Good odds says most of us wouldn't be here. I almost certainly wouldn't exist -- or if I did I'd be an entirely different person.
It wouldn't effect you at all it would just have already had happened in another, alternate universe. It's kind of a Schrodinger's cat/Many-worlds thing. Every outcome exists simultaneously. Every time anything can happen, it does. It's just not always in our universe.
But, like Saz said, you can't go back in time to where ever you'd like unless there is somewhere for you to go (forward in time presents fewer challenges). You can go where this is connected time between two rotating holes where time moves slower but that would only allow you to travel/see into places where the universes are connected... it's possible that time travel would spit you out at a Kerr black hole, killing you instantly. Not to mention the energy required to bend time is equal to or greater than the energy of an exploding star. Far beyond anything we can generate on Earth.
Time is not an arrow as suggested by Newton but a river as Einstein found.
tl;dr Time travel: theoretically possible, practically impossible.
Mothafuckin' time travel - Sage - 11-05-2009
Assuming that theory is correct, of course.
And if that's the case, then yeah, my example falls flat. It would in that case be a bad idea because it would make no difference in your timeline.