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The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Deo - 05-23-2007
...but I already have a tail D:
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - OldSpice - 05-23-2007
Damn. Looks like Garlic got to you before I could.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Spencinator - 05-23-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Spice
Oh, it involves much, much more. It's kind of like pin the tail on the donkey =D
Come here donkey.
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The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Tobias - 05-23-2007
I think that was one of my fastest derails.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Yamu - 05-23-2007
It has become your thing though...so it works.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Tobias - 05-23-2007
It was always my thing sonny Jim I've just been laying off of it.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Yamu - 05-23-2007
And we've missed you for it.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Drake - 05-23-2007
Goku's power level on arriving on namek was 90,000. When Ginyu records his power level Goku used Kaioken. As for any power level beyond that, they aren't official(Except for Furiza's claim that his 2nd form's power level was more than 1,000,000) as Akira Toriyama did not write them while there are ones listed in the Daizenshyuu's, they aren't considered Cannon as they weren't written by Akira Toriyama but rather the group he worked for as well as some of his assistants.
Also, Furiza never announced fighting at anything other than 50% of his full power and then going to 100%. 50% Furiza was able to overcome KKx20 Goku which leads people to believe that the SSJ power up increased Goku's power level by at least 40 times.
Edit: Also, no. Goku couldn't beat Final Form Furiza with Kaioken. Through out the entire fight he was struggling against Furiza and even though he struck out as hard as he could with the Kamehameha, Furiza stopped it with one hand and only got burned.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Deo - 05-23-2007
I support Kakarot for president.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Nori - 05-23-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Kakarot
Goku's power level on arriving on namek was 90,000. When Ginyu records his power level Goku used Kaioken. As for any power level beyond that, they aren't official(Except for Furiza's claim that his 2nd form's power level was more than 1,000,000) as Akira Toriyama did not write them while there are ones listed in the Daizenshyuu's, they aren't considered Cannon as they weren't written by Akira Toriyama but rather the group he worked for as well as some of his assistants.
Also, Furiza never announced fighting at anything other than 50% of his full power and then going to 100%. 50% Furiza was able to overcome KKx20 Goku which leads people to believe that the SSJ power up increased Goku's power level by at least 40 times.
Edit: Also, no. Goku couldn't beat Final Form Furiza with Kaioken. Through out the entire fight he was struggling against Furiza and even though he struck out as hard as he could with the Kamehameha, Furiza stopped it with one hand and only got burned.
I'd really like to see where Frieza completely overcame Goku. According to the episodes I'v watched they were practically even until Goku got tired and resorted to the Spirit Bomb.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Aero - 05-23-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Tapion
Quote:Originally posted by Ballofire
Freeza - 12,000,000 (100%)
Freeza - 10,000,000 (Battle Worn)
Super Goku - 11,500,000
Wait...? That doesn't make sense to me...Frieza was never stronger then SSJ Goku. In the manga goku overpowered Frieza completly effortlessly after going SSJ, they changed it slightly in the anime though to make Frieza put up somewhat more of a fight against Goku to make for more intresting TV. I mean I know those are offical, but I do NOT remember Frieza ever being stronger then SSJ Goku.
Furiza beat Goku and was about to leave, but Gohan came in and prevented that. Then Goku came back and Furiza and he fought again. Goku won that one.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Joe Android 15 - 05-23-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Gokua
Gokua won that one.
Im sure he did... Travel all the way to namek, then back to his own galaxy to meet up with Bojack and plan to kill off earth 3 years later -.-
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Aero - 05-23-2007
that typo occurs a lot with me since I write Gokua a million times in my RPs. I fixed it.
EDIT:
Also, Bojack and his entire gang were imprisoned by the Kais.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Nori - 05-23-2007
I bet you I could beat Anime Frieza. >_>
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Joe Android 15 - 05-23-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Akane Kimidori
I bet you I could beat Anime Frieza. >_>
Errr... I think you can >_>
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Nori - 05-23-2007
I'd be all like.
Light Super Blast of instant power!
And then he would like.. die or something.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Joe Android 15 - 05-23-2007
LoL...
Erhmmm yeah.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Aero - 05-23-2007
Quote:Originally posted by Akane Kimidori
I'd be all like.
Light Super Blast of instant power!
And then he would like.. die or something.
Then his father would put him back together. And Furiza would be afraid of you for the rest of his life; have visions of you and cry.
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Nori - 05-23-2007
XD
The epic Freiza vs Goku debate - Super Buu - 05-23-2007
Quote:Originally posted by SpicePeople seem generally to think this, but it was never stated in the anime or manga that Kaioken actually does that. I mean, think about it. If Kaioken x2 doubles his power level, what the hell does just regular Kaioken do? I think it just multiplies the bonus he gets, rather than his actual power level, and thus I don't believe the theoretical power levels people give in regards to Kaioken.
That doesn't make much sense Tom. Kaio-Ken multiplies Power Level by the Tier, so x20 would multiply his Power Level by, literally, x20, not x2. However, we've already gone through this quarrel countless times, your Manga stats vs my Anime stats, grrr =P.
Anime Power Levels
Goku: 300,000
Goku[Kaio-Ken x10]: 3,000,000
Goku[Kaio-Ken x20]: 6,000,000
Goku[Super Saiyan]: 15,000,000
Frieza: 530,000
Frieza[Form 2]: 1,000,000
Frieza[Form 3]: 2,500,000
Frieza[Form 4 25%]: 4,000,000
Frieza[Form 4 50%]: 6,000,000
Frieza[Form 4 70%]: 8,400,000
Frieza[Form 4 100%]: 12,000,000
Yes, I believe your sox have just been rawked.
EDIT: Oops, I didn't fully analyze your stats; they actually match mine with a few differences, lol.
Oh, and I agree with Kollifum/Krakanot etc. Frieza would have kicked Goku's ass had he not gone SSJ. He survived a spirit bomb ffs! Goku was going all-out through the whole battle, using Kaioken constantly, and Frieza wasn't even trying. Even Kai said that Goku was losing.