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Ahem - Kazuya - 01-03-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Kid Buu
Quote:Originally posted by Super Buu
Quote:Originally posted by King Cold
I think the Question tag should be changed to something like [Question - Staff Only] and when you want all members just use the normal [Question]
That is because new members don't know that [Question] tags aren't needed.
That's a good idea, IMO. It would stop a lot of this debate.
Some people here are too short sighted. Doing this would stop NOTHING. New members would come in, see the two options, and automaticallyl pick the [Question - Staff Only] title because it is inherently visible as the best option. No new member would use the [Question] tag, for they wouldn't recognize any reason TO use it.
It's this simple. Just don't fucking post in the [Question] posts. It is not that had.
Jesus christ.
Kid Buu, I think that you're not seeing the broader spectrum of this. If a new member came in and saw the [question-staff only] tag when they post a question, more than likely, that is what they would choose to head their question. That way, if a normal member were to answer his question that was marked with that tag, it would be grounds to warn them, because that little reminder right there, so blatantly obvious, is a sign that he shouldn't have posted a reply to a staff only question.
Ahem - Super Buu - 01-03-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Kid Buu
Quote:Originally posted by Super Buu
Quote:Originally posted by King Cold
I think the Question tag should be changed to something like [Question - Staff Only] and when you want all members just use the normal [Question]
That is because new members don't know that [Question] tags aren't needed.
That's a good idea, IMO. It would stop a lot of this debate.
Some people here are too short sighted. Doing this would stop NOTHING. New members would come in, see the two options, and automaticallyl pick the [Question - Staff Only] title because it is inherently visible as the best option. No new member would use the [Question] tag, for they wouldn't recognize any reason TO use it.
I disagree. A lot of members wouldn't really give a damn. If nothing else, potential posters would know from the author themselves whether or not they wanted member input. The problem isn't whether or not people know the rules - in fact, most of the people disobeying it do know the rules - the problem is members wanting to help, and authors not being able to show if they don't mind this.
It's just my opinion, but I think having two options would make everyone happy. Overtly helpful people would see the big [Staff only] and keep out of it, and nobody would get warned for posting in open [Question] threads. It is, however, entirely up to the staff.
Ahem - Ashe - 01-03-2006
I'd maybe set it as [Question - Staff Only] and [Question - Anyone] if I did it. I really like the suggestion though.
My opinion is that people should not be warned for helping. However, that's not what they are being warned for. Its the deliberate ignorance of what we've asked that is causing it.
1- We initially allowed members to answer questions. People began getting conflicting answers, being told things that were a part of the show but not this site, etc. Example: "hey guy, if we need to use a ship for a saga, do we have to pay?" The guy has asked a question that is devoid of some crucial information to most of the readers. This question doesn't state that he is meaning for his own personal saga, and that he plans on riding around in the ship from one planet to another without paying. So a member, thinking that he's referring to being in a staff saga and being pushed onto a transport ship would go "No, you don't have to pay if you have to use one for a saga". The member goes and makes a roleplay that involves them doing that, and then we appear going "Um... holy hell."
2- So we tried a few methods of dealing with that, namely the "If you must answer, please quote from the rules where you are getting your information from to prevent confusion." That didn't work. People just stopped doing it.
3- So we asked that only staff respond in the QSU board period. People still posted; we still had to deal with situations like question 1, leaving a massive headache when the member is like "wait, i dont understand i was told it was ok" type deal.
4- So we implemented the "[Question] tag rule". People STILL ignored it, always going "Staff is gonna kill me for this but..." and "Sorry staff..." and "Hope staff doesn't mind me answering this..." That's like going "Hey guys, I don't feel you have good reason, so I'm posting regardless of you asking me 9999 times not to off the record, because you are a nazi if you warn me for helping."
That's my point. If everyone goes posting, the person will always see the most confusing arrangement of information. 3 people can post a perfectly clear diagnosis of the situation, and a 4th make a post about some exception... What happens? The new player ALWAYS starts posting and double posting because he doesn't understand what that fourth guy meant, which really only that fourth guy can explain accurately. But then someone else responds, trying to translate what he feels the fourth guy meant, which leaves the new member overwhelmed.
We give the members the option of establishing whether or not they want just staff to answer. We aren't running around warning people just for posting on the board; we are enforcing the desire of the topic originator.
All of that said, I still probably won't be enforcing the rule from a personal level in the near future. I like KC's the best. For those that want to paraphrase this novellette, this is the paragraph to use.
Ahem - Burter Jr - 01-03-2006
I was gonna post my opinion, but I echo what Goku, Rad, and Rei all said.
Ahem - Burter Jr - 01-03-2006
Kid Buu, you get a new custom title for rocking so hard.
Pick one.
Ahem - Burter Jr - 01-03-2006
Done
Ahem - Ashe - 01-03-2006
I figure it'll do nothing more than further help people state their intention. Its obvious that Janemba didn't read my post, so that's fine. People are going to assume that we are simply strutting around flashing our staff power around, and that's not the case. They can go enjoy SSJULTIMATE TRUNKS VEJITA DBZ RPG if they believe that way.
Ahem - Ruhiel - 01-04-2006
I think this is for the best. I'm going to be completely straight with you here... I had always used tags for the sole reason of making it so when the staff saw the thread, they would already know what sort of thing they would be dealing with before they messed with it. I had never known for a good long time that the [Question] tag meant that ONLY staff should answer. I just thought this was a way of organizing the chaos this board once seemed to have.
And to be honest once again... those stickied threads aren't something I check all too often. I have no idea when something suddenly gets edited in there, so I recommend something is done to bring attention to them when something is changed, added or deleted.
Ahem - Ruhiel - 01-04-2006
And sometimes I miss those threads. I'm not on this place 24/7 and if something important is buried under several pages of stuff in here, I skim them only to get the general idea. Looking at about 15 different threads just in the Q/S/U isn't something I bore into daily. I'm stating that not everyone may notice when those things are changed. Especially with that weird announcement button. Remains orange all the time, so I after a while of it being there, I don't always notice that second orange icon there.
Just saying that for those of us who don't read absolutely everything all the time, that those stickies aren't incredibly effective. Not sure what would help, but I KNOW there are people here with attention spans similar to mine.
Ahem - Hellfighter 17 - 01-04-2006
That's why they are stickied, so you DO look at them before any other thread. I actually agree with you for the announcements, but those are usually active checks or other big things which only need your attention for one post. I guess it really is up to the person, though; as much as we can try we can't make it uber easy for everybody to use the forums.
Ahem - Ruhiel - 01-04-2006
Yeah, I can't come up with anything easier for us to use either. I was just saying that sometimes people don't see those, and that can cause some confusion as well. No idea how to change that for the better though, so just ignore me. I was just throwing out some random input that could hopefully provide some insight as to why some people could have been confused by the earlier tags.
Ahem - Kaden - 01-04-2006
It was stickied, people ignored it. Whatever the reason was, don't much matter. We sticky things for a reason.
With these new tags, there will be no leeway and there will be no sympathy. I hope everyone is crystal clear about that.
Ahem - Super Buu - 01-04-2006
I find it ironic that the only person not arguing civilly in this thread got commended for it. Maybe I should take up this flaming business?
On a more serious note, I'm glad this month-long cause for dispute may finally be over. From the looks of it, it is.
Ahem - Burter Jr - 01-04-2006
and Locked.