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We Want to Know - Minoshia - 12-31-2006
This thread shows what i think is wrong with staff. The incredibly defensive need to squash almost every opinion any member throws into the open.
We Want to Know - Celipa - 12-31-2006
I never thought I'd agree with Minoshia, but...I agree with Minoshia, just a little on this one. A lot of the time if members say an opinion that staff utterly disagrees with, one of our more aggressive staff members, such as Reijin or Burter will make that member look like an idiot with some clever comment and basically lower their reputation amongst the other members by doing so.
Nothing personal. Just an observation.
We Want to Know - Drake - 12-31-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Celipa
I never thought I'd agree with Minoshia, but...I agree with Minoshia, just a little on this one. A lot of the time if members say an opinion that staff utterly disagrees with, one of our more aggressive staff members, such as Reijin or Burter will make that member look like an idiot with some clever comment and basically lower their reputation amongst the other members by doing so.
Nothing personal. Just an observation.
It's a knee jerk reaction to listening to members bitch for 7 years, as for Burter he was a wrestler so he's just roid ragin'.
We Want to Know - Yamu - 12-31-2006
I have to go with Broli on this one. As a member and even my short stint as Staff I think the biggest issue is the lack of compromise. It seems like if a Staff member gets an idea and asks what people think if it is anything other then 'Fucking cool!' they get defensive and try to argue their point and as to why what they think is better rather then try and reach a compromise or discuss the other person's grievances.
Even in a thread designed for members to bring their complaints people get met with:
"You're wrong I did this because..." instead "I can see how that might have came off that way. My intentions were..."
I think if the overall defensivness was dropped. Staff are people, and people have faults. I cannot say that I'm displeased with anyone who is Staff now cept for a couple who joined during my leave whom I haven't gotten to know yet. I do think differences of opinion could be better recieved, though.
You already know what else I have to say in the Kame House.
We Want to Know - Drake - 12-31-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Yamu
I have to go with Broli on this one. As a member and even my short stint as Staff I think the biggest issue is the lack of compromise. It seems like if a Staff member gets an idea and asks what people think if it is anything other then 'Fucking cool!' they get defensive and try to argue their point and as to why what they think is better rather then try and reach a compromise or discuss the other person's grievances.
Even in a thread designed for members to bring their complaints people get met with:
"You're wrong I did this because..." instead "I can see how that might have came off that way. My intentions were..."
I think if the overall defensivness was dropped. Staff are people, and people have faults. I cannot say that I'm displeased with anyone who is Staff now cept for a couple who joined during my leave whom I haven't gotten to know yet. I do think differences of opinion could be better recieved, though.
You already know what else I have to say in the Kame House.
Most of the defensiveness has come from years of being second guessed, or just plain rude and ignorant behavior of the members. Another thing is that what you see on the forum isn't all there is, staff members are usually pestered on an instant messaging program as well as through PM's all of which are the same complaint from multiple sources.
It gets to a point where you have 4 people bitching at you about the same thing at the same time, or one person PM'ing you or whining at you over AIM, Yahoo, ICQ, etc.
At that time you just want to say "SHUT THE FUCK UP DICK LIPS"
Edit: A lot of you need to remember this isn't an actual job, the staff take time to voluntarily do this. The time they could spend roleplaying, or enjoying themselves is spent creating content, running saga's, updating, and listening to people's complaints and trying to work with other staff. It's not like they are paid to do this.
I spent a few years of my life running chubbs, and building content with Rei and Rad including the rules that are still in effect today and most people just look at me like an annoying old coot that doesn't know what he's talkin' about.
Being staff is a thanklass job. D:
We Want to Know - Dantes - 12-31-2006
@Burter - I'm sure i really don't know or will ever know just how much stiff you guys do, that is why i really don't want to give an opinion because i really only see the tip of the iceberg. I mean i could complain about updates and such, but i don't think it'd be right because i don't know what else goes on. So as a "member" i just try to stay kind when i go about asking for something, and bumping it. When i get criticism, or repremanded then i don't go flipping out. I think that if both sides weren't as defensive (on certain issues) then things would be a lot easier for both sides.
Edit: All in all, There are some really bastardly members out there that tend to piss staff off all the time. And there are probably staffers who get on members nerves too, but so what. Were putting staff up on a pedestal (pussy pedestal = 40yr old virgin) like they are almighty gods, but in reality they are people too. People who have temper's, and people who get annoyed, so as long as staff are humans beings then there will be conflict between members.
We Want to Know - Yamu - 12-31-2006
I know that Kakarot. I was Staff a couple months I went form having a couple OOC freinds to a constant barage of PMs and AIM messages. Yeah, ir gets bothersome but I also realized it came with the job.
If there are members out there who are a perpetual nightmare, Kirano, Max, I completely see why Staff would want to be short with them.
I'm saying if anything gets introduced to the site and it is not met with open arms and cheers the creator tends to give a 'Fuck you' to the members for not respecting the hard work they put into it.
This thread was made for critisism of Staff, but instead if anyone says they have a problem they get in reply: Your wrong its that way because...
If this is supposed ot be a thread for discussion of problems I misinterpreted, I thought it was a open forum for people to get anyhting off their chest they might have, not a place for Staff members to argue their points.
We Want to Know - Burter - 12-31-2006
I haven't made any shots at any members in this thread, so I'm kinda offended my name was brought up, especially by another staff member
We Want to Know - Yamu - 12-31-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Burter
I haven't made any shots at any members in this thread, so I'm kinda offended my name was brought up, especially by another staff member
Are you talking to me or 16?
We Want to Know - Drake - 12-31-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Yamu
I know that Kakarot. I was Staff a couple months I went form having a couple OOC freinds to a constant barage of PMs and AIM messages. Yeah, ir gets bothersome but I also realized it came with the job.
If there are members out there who are a perpetual nightmare, Kirano, Max, I completely see why Staff would want to be short with them.
I'm saying if anything gets introduced to the site and it is not met with open arms and cheers the creator tends to give a 'Fuck you' to the members for not respecting the hard work they put into it.
This thread was made for critisism of Staff, but instead if anyone says they have a problem they get in reply: Your wrong its that way because...
If this is supposed ot be a thread for discussion of problems I misinterpreted, I thought it was a open forum for people to get anyhting off their chest they might have, not a place for Staff members to argue their points.
*Is not Staff* ;D
No I understand your concerns, I am just trying to explain why things happen the way they do. And a lot of the time when things aren't welcomed with open arms, it's usually members going "WTF? This update is stupid, are you guys idiots1?"
After spending a few months working on an update and listening to criticism from other staff, members whining and bitching gets on your nerves. It's one thing to have constructive criticism (Which I think the staff can handle).
I think it's more of a Staff and Members need to both understand each other better, the staff need to be less defensive, and the members need to be more empathetic and understanding of the staff.
We Want to Know - Burter - 12-31-2006
The staff member part was Celipa, but I'm pretty confused I was brought up at all. I mean, you guys are entitled to your opinion, but I thought I was being pretty agreeable in here.
We Want to Know - Dantes - 12-31-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Yamu
Quote:Originally posted by Burter
I haven't made any shots at any members in this thread, so I'm kinda offended my name was brought up, especially by another staff member
Are you talking to me or 16?
heh, i didn't think i was taking any shots. i apologize if i was.
We Want to Know - Celipa - 12-31-2006
Not in here specifically Burter. Just, around you can seem a little intimidating. Like if I picture you as a real person, I'd kind of picture you as a large black dude standing in a prison, that you're scared to approach because he has vicious tattoos up and down his arms. And you're afraid he might eat you.
Y'know?
We Want to Know - Yamu - 12-31-2006
I agree Kakarot that there are definit problems with from the member's side as well. Staff are not paid and spend alot of tiem behind the scenese working on updates that while they may seem small to the members have taken weeks or months of perfecting to get them right. Also, they spend tiem doing tediuos updates or reading threads for grading that maybe four other members looked at.
I'm saying even when I was shown stuff as a Staff member for consideration and I had problems with it I was usually met with 'You're wrong' not 'Tell me why?'.
Again, I don't think Staff sucks but the question was posed.
We Want to Know - Drake - 12-31-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Celipa
Not in here specifically Burter. Just, around you can seem a little intimidating. Like if I picture you as a real person, I'd kind of picture you as a large black dude standing in a prison, that you're scared to approach because he has vicious tattoos up and down his arms. And you're afraid he might eat you.
Y'know?
You know he was a wrestler right? He's intimidating period. He told me this one guy tried to stick him up in the store so he like tore out the guys guts and ate his spleen. :O
We Want to Know - Celipa - 12-31-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Kakarot
You know he was a wrestler right? He's intimidating period. He told me this one guy tried to stick him up in the store so he like tore out the guys guts and ate his spleen. :O
His spleen!? Did he tell you what it tasted like?
We Want to Know - Burter - 12-31-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Celipa
Not in here specifically Burter. Just, around you can seem a little intimidating. Like if I picture you as a real person, I'd kind of picture you as a large black dude standing in a prison, that you're scared to approach because he has vicious tattoos up and down his arms. And you're afraid he might eat you.
Y'know?
Yea. I know because pretty much everybody says that.
I've made a drastic attitude change already. I don't know what to tell you guys. I've changed about as much as I possibly can without turning into someone else. If my personality is THAT much of a problem, I really can't do much more then I'm doing already.
I'm not saying you guys are wrong, but I am saying I seriously can't think of anyway to fix it anymore then I already have.
We Want to Know - Drake - 12-31-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Celipa
His spleen!? Did he tell you what it tasted like?
He said it tasted like cat
Quote:Originally posted by Burter
I've made a drastic attitude change already. I don't know what to tell you guys. I've changed about as much as I possibly can without turning into someone else. If my personality is THAT much of a problem, I really can't do much more then I'm doing already.
I'm not saying you guys are wrong, but I am saying I seriously can't think of anyway to fix it anymore then I already have.
There's not much else you can do, it's who you are. It's insane to expect you to completely change your personality. All you can really do is keep doing things like you are now and eventually people will get used to you.
We Want to Know - Whompt - 12-31-2006
I've always liked Burter. He's been nothing but polite when I've talked to him, and most of the time he seems like an entirely reasonable person. Yeah, I have seem him fly off the handle from time to time, but I chock that up to him being himself. And it's cool. It's makes him unique and that's fine by me.
But anyway, on to my point. Leave poor Burter alone so he can hurry up and post in that group thread he wanted. So I can post a reply and stop being so bored.
We Want to Know - Dehan - 12-31-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Celipa
Not in here specifically Burter. Just, around you can seem a little intimidating. Like if I picture you as a real person, I'd kind of picture you as a large black dude standing in a prison, that you're scared to approach because he has vicious tattoos up and down his arms. And you're afraid he might eat you.
Y'know?
why couldn't he be a large white guy? or asian guy?Anyway I agree with Sixteen about how staff has the right to be 'intimidating' and a little snippy at times...they don't get paid. They're giving up time they could be spending partying, watching family guy, or just doing something else.
I mean if most of the staff is anything like me then sometimes they just cancel a plan they made with friends to work on a rp post for those they're involved with online and what not...quite frankly I think the staff is doing a pretty good job.