Vad Wrote:That's rather broad considering he's done segments using historic fact.

Ashe Wrote:Ok, I'll give him that he's done a few segments that use facts, sure.

Josh Wrote:Like "Hitler was a bad man", and "The sky is blue". Those are factual things he may say.

Ashe Wrote:I just got a kick out of his random penis drawing when he was talking about climate change. "Clearly global warming isn't true, because its snowing right now!" *gives serious stare at screen* I mean... really? He either doesn't understand what he's talking about, or is intentionally lying. And he's stated before that he's not a news caster but an entertainer.

Vad Wrote:Eh. He's stating an extreme right view trying to bash an extreme left view about global warming. Both are extremely far fetched.

Ashe Wrote:Well, the point behind that comment was that... Global warming theory believes that it gets hotter, thus melting ice caps and evaporating a tiny bit more water every year. Then that means there is more water vapor in the clouds. Which then creates more rain or snow depending on the temperature. So if you have MORE snow, that isn't exactly an argument against it, because "I think its getting colder, not warmer" has nothing to due with the amount of snow on the ground, only whether or not snow happens. Like for example, the Arctic isn't covered in 30 mile thick snow drifts. Its covered in ice, with a fairly normal amount of snow. Going further below freezing doesn't mean more things freeze, it just means "if its freezable, then it'll freeze", and the amount depends on how much vapor is in the air. Which was the complete opposite of what he was saying.

Vad Wrote:That's one view. I subscribe to the scientific side that states the planet is warming naturally.

Josh Wrote:Lol.

You subscribe to the fringe side my good friend, the scientific community is of the opinion that mankind is having a significant effect on the warming of the planet.

Vad Wrote:Eh. I believe a lot of stuff. To each his own. My statement to Jack remains true.

Josh Wrote:It's fine to believe what the fringe groups believe, but it's wrong to misrepresent that as the "Scientific side" explanation when clearly the scientific majority(I.E. 90% of the Scientific community) have stated their opinion on this matter.

Vad Wrote:I thought you would have learned to not take my words at face value lol

Ashe Wrote:Well, the "fringe side" argument doesn't really work, as that invokes the popular opinion fallacy. I mean, lots of people used to believe that the earth was flat, and well, that doesn't mean the Flat Earth Society and Malcolm whatever his last name is suddenly became correct. Although they were pretty much proven wrong by the Greeks.

Josh Wrote:Actually, it completely works.

I guess opinion was the wrong way to put it, the majority of scientists agree that the facts point to humans having a significant effect on the warming of the planet. Where as the "Fringe" scientists believe that is not the case.

The point is, Vad was misrepresenting the consensus among experts.

Edit: Here is an article about Fringe Science for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_science

Ashe Wrote:I agree with your statement, I'm just saying that going along with something "because the majority says so" is not a valid reason.

Josh Wrote:I agree with that, but like I said. Vad misrepresented what the scientific community agrees on in his post, and I said it's fine to believe the fringe science(plate tectonics was a Fringe Science). Also science doesn't go by popular opinion, it goes by what the evidence shows.

Ashe Wrote:I agree with that.

Josh Wrote:You know the majority of people say that I am sexy, and some say I should try and get a job at Fox.

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.