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Storyline Saga - Talon Holmes - 04-26-2009
I've got to ask a question about this. Since there doesn't seem to be a "king of Earth" (as I originally thought) my guess is their is no one for the "governor" to answer to, so their isn't going to be a "higher state" that will come bearing down if the governor loses control, but that brings up another point. Since Earth seems basically to be run like ancient Greece (competing City-States vying for power and trade) isn't it a bit idealistic to pretend that the other City-States wouldn't intervene?
During the French Revolution, it didn't take the other nations of Europe to long to start a war against the Rebels, especially to put the king of France back on the thrown. I don't think it would make much sense for the rest of the City States (Such as West City, with the Powerful Capsule Corporation sitting by.) to stand by well the Rebs or Assassins toke over. Especially the Assassins since they seem to want World domination, and not just "city" domination.
Plus wouldn't the governor be looking for outside help from abroad? Usually when rebellions and invasion happens governments look for help from foreign governments.
Storyline Saga - Sage - 04-26-2009
Your 'city state' analogy is pretty close to correct. Earth's gov't has always been fairly vague but that's the general idea, yeah.
That said, you bring up a few good points. Ultimately, it's Juno's call, but it's def. something to think about.
Storyline Saga - Kaden - 04-26-2009
Talon Holmes Wrote:Plus wouldn't the governor be looking for outside help from abroad? Usually when rebellions and invasion happens governments look for help from foreign governments.
Under the city-state scenario, foreign government is just the other major cities on Earth. Since Central City was rocked in Vad's thread, its reasonable to assume that the rebuilding effort and security forces present would be a result of such aid, wouldn't it?
Storyline Saga - Talon Holmes - 04-26-2009
Well originally I thought theer was a King, like in the anime, but that he was kind of like the Emperor of Japan. More of a rallying point to the Earthlings then a power figure, well the rest of the power was divided by different city-states, but more along the line of how America is divided into "states". If someone invaded Vermont I don't think New York would just stand by, and watch, and I don't think the President wouldn't say anything.
Since it's more of a City-State thing though I think you still have to deal with the points I mentioned earlier. I don't think it's that realistic that the other City-States would just stand by, and watch one of the most powerful (or at least the once powerful) City-State's on the planet just crumble before them, and allow outside Rebs or Assassins to gain that kind of power.
But it isn't my story so :geek:.
Storyline Saga - Sage - 04-26-2009
It's different.
They're city-states but they are independent of one another. Using states that exist under the same nation is... a bad example. There is no overarching, unifying body.
Storyline Saga - Talon Holmes - 04-26-2009
Kaden Wrote:Under the city-state scenario, foreign government is just the other major cities on Earth. Since Central City was rocked in Vad's thread, its reasonable to assume that the rebuilding effort and security forces present would be a result of such aid, wouldn't it?
It's probable that some of the aid would be foreign (esepcially considering how big of a trading partner Central City would have been to the other city-states) ,so if outside aid/workers were helping to rebuilding the city I think it would prove my point even more. Most nations don't take kindly to their people being attacked. The sinking of the Lusitania helped drag America into WW1 even though it wasn't in America immediate best interest. And it would be natural to suspect that at least some foreigners would die in a Rebel, or Assassins attack.
Maybe I'm making a point that really doesn't have much value to it, but I just think it's more realistic that the other City-States wouldn't stand by, and watch one of its neighbors be conquered by either internal rebels, or outside Assassins.
Storyline Saga - Kaden - 04-26-2009
Ok, then think of it like a draft. That's why you're all there.
Problem solved.
Storyline Saga - Mikhail - 04-26-2009
Who says the government will fall? I mean, theoretically, if the revolutionairies or assassins were able to take hold, that would be the best time for another major group to show it's face and defeat the weakened force. Opporunist.
Storyline Saga - Vad - 04-26-2009
To sort of shed light on the aid question. Vad will have been sent by South City's government to aid Central City. That's how his story plays out. It's perfectly feasable like Kaden said.
Storyline Saga - Juno - 04-26-2009
The focal point of the discussion is that this is, in fact, an independent city, as they've all said. Undoubtedly, other cities will have taken some interest in it, but I doubt it would be a big enough interest that South City would do more than send Vad over.
The best example I can think of is Ancient Greece. Mycenae and Sparta were ruled by siblings during the Trojan War, therefore they had reason to assist one another. But did Athens do much of anything? Nothing noticable, at least. Think of it in that way.
They're independent governments, and I think that like FDR attempted to do in WWII with the United States, nothing would provoke the other cities into sending an army in to help -- even if their allies were under attack, as was the case with FDR -- unless the war directly threatened them.
Storyline Saga - Celena - 04-26-2009
Talon Holmes Wrote:I've got to ask a question about this. Since there doesn't seem to be a "king of Earth" (as I originally thought) my guess is their is no one for the "governor" to answer to, so their isn't going to be a "higher state" that will come bearing down if the governor loses control, but that brings up another point. Since Earth seems basically to be run like ancient Greece (competing City-States vying for power and trade) isn't it a bit idealistic to pretend that the other City-States wouldn't intervene?
There is still a guardian of earth, if you're looking for the highest figure on the plateau.
Storyline Saga - Juno - 04-26-2009
Yes, there's Dende. However, I assumed he meant the character in the anime/manga known as "King of the World"; the dog man type of thing.
Storyline Saga - Talon Holmes - 04-26-2009
Quote:Who says the government will fall? I mean, theoretically, if the revolutionairies or assassins were able to take hold, that would be the best time for another major group to show it's face and defeat the weakened force. Opporunist.
Possible, although history doesn't always bear that out. The French Revolution, Fist World War (especially America's involvement), the Spanish Civil War, World War II (As far as America is concerned we traded with the Allies, and then stopped trading Oil with the Japanese. Which is one of the reason's the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor), Kosovo, Iraq/Afghanistan today. Plus ancient battles, in Greece, Rome, China, and Japan during the Age of the Country at War. The first thing that helped unit the Muslims, and Arabians during the middle ages (and stopped them from fighting each other) was the invading Western Crusaders. Other powers don't tend to sit on the sidelines, especially when rebellions, and invaders that may affect them are concerned.
Juno Wrote:Yes, there's Dende. However, I assumed he meant the character in the anime/manga known as "King of the World"; the dog man type of thing.
Yes, I was talking political power more so then religious power. Since their is no King though, that point doesn't mater. My other point was that throughout history when one nation is usually weakened by rebels or invasion it doesn't take long for other nations to intervene, either for their own self interest or in order to protect a trading partner (Remember France and Britain first faced off against Hitler because of his invasion of Poland, not because of his political views). Even more so when it's a first world power like Central City is/was. But I guess it doesn't matter since we don't seem to be dealing with that theme that much in the story. Which is fine. I was just confused on that point, and figured that this war may easily turn global, or at least regional with some global outside help.