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New Addition: Power Points - Kaden - 04-18-2009
Given the reaction to the last post made in the Announcements forum, I thought it would be a good idea to say something here as well.
If you'll check your rosters, you'll see that a new Stat has been added. We call this stat Power Points, or PP. By purchasing Power-Ups, players will be able to spend PP to multiply their Combat Ability for a fight. To supplement this, each Tier of a Power-Up has been split into two levels, a Base and a Master level. Purchasing the Master level of a tier gives players access to their Power-Ups at reduced PP costs, making them available more often.
In addition to this, new items have been added to the Shop to allow the recovery of PP as well as equippable items to increase a character's PP pool.
With the addition of PP, some Techniques and some Abilities have seen additions to their functionality, so be sure to scan through the Rules threads.
Feel free to ask any questions here, but please read the Stats and Abilities/Techniques threads in the Rules forum first.
New Addition: Power Points - Szar - 04-18-2009
Why was this change implemented?
New Addition: Power Points - Kaden - 04-18-2009
There were concerns of people just buying a Power-Up and, basically, being permanently transformed. Perma-SSJ is how we referred to it.
It's a fairly legitimate concern. While we can say a Power-Up is "tiring" or that it "drains the user" after being used, that never really stops anyone from using it however they wanted.
With the inclusion of Power Points, people have to think ahead of time before just snapping into a transformation.
EDIT: We're also looking at other ways to implement the use of PP, but that will come later.
New Addition: Power Points - Piper Juunanagou - 04-19-2009
What if someone is just roleplaying by themselves and wants to use a power-up for dramatic purposes or whatnot? Would they have to use a power point then, even if they're not use the power up in a PvP-context?
New Addition: Power Points - Kaden - 04-19-2009
Damn. That's what I forgot to add.
Any offensive action taken while powered up constitutes the use of PP. So, if you're a saiyan who wants to go all golden just to show off, then you could RP doing that, turning back, and no PP would be spent.
I'll add that into the rules.
EDIT: Ignore this for the time being.
New Addition: Power Points - Jack - 04-19-2009
So, if I use a powerup within the context of a personal stroyline, what then?
What about in the event of a saga, against an NPC?
Will it ALWAYS cost PP to use a powerup against another player? What about spars?
New Addition: Power Points - Kaden - 04-19-2009
Bil Baer Jaxx Wrote:What about in the event of a saga, against an NPC?
In a saga, power-ups will cost PP. Doesn't matter if it's against an NPC or not.
The person running the saga will have the freedom to make specific rulings about PP, given the circumstances, but that's the default rule.
Quote:Will it ALWAYS cost PP to use a powerup against another player? What about spars?Yes. "Spars," as I assume you're thinking of them, don't exist anymore. Using a Power-Up against another player will cost PP.
Bil Baer Jaxx Wrote:So, if I use a powerup within the context of a personal stroyline, what then?
Undecided atm.
New Addition: Power Points - Cain - 04-19-2009
I like the idea. Power-ups used sparingly makes them more dramatic.
New Addition: Power Points - Jack - 04-19-2009
Yeah, this was a good addition.
New Addition: Power Points - Kaden - 04-19-2009
Bil Baer Jaxx Wrote:So, if I use a powerup within the context of a personal stroyline, what then?
Using a Power-Up in a personal storyline will cost no PP unless it's being used against a player. Going SSJ and fighting some criminal organization of NPCs won't cost a thing, though.
New Addition: Power Points - Sigfried Hunin - 04-19-2009
I like the way this system has been resolved! PP also pulls the reins in on powerful techniques... I like it a lot.
EDIT: I guess my only real complaint is that you HAVE to buy things to regain PP. Like, one/two weeks wouldn't be too unreasonable. Being able to have a tier 1 power up every two months isn't particularly overpowered in my mind.
New Addition: Power Points - Belle Hibiki - 04-19-2009
That was gonna be my question. Is purchasing the only way to get PP back?
Not that I'd have a problem with it if that were the case.
New Addition: Power Points - Cain - 04-19-2009
I don't quite understand the gaining of PP yet. >.<
New Addition: Power Points - Jack - 04-19-2009
nvm i b stoopid
New Addition: Power Points - Pinky - 04-19-2009
Stats and Tech/Ability pages.
How does Healing Ability affect others' PP recovery?
50xp per PP (power training tech) seems excessive. Do you have to have the requisite PP for basic power-up to even get the tech? That would put tier-1 power-up at 275xp (75xp for tech, 200xp for required PP). Then, "master" power-up is another 50xp on top of that. Even if you don't need full PP to get the basic power-up, 75xp for basic tier-1 plus 50xp for master, and 100xp for minimal 2PP puts tier-1 at 225xp, which would be less xp than non-master which makes basic level power-ups superfluous.
Also, forcing players to spend money (recovering PP) to use such XP-heavy techs only discourages most from even bothering. I assume the only people who will ever bother with power-ups now are the people who regularly come out on top in sagas and have the most bonus XP and money to throw around, creating a larger divide between them and everybody else.
I get the idea that PP can be used to "power up" other techs. Like, Kamehameha + PP = Chou Kamehameha. That actually seems good. It's not very clear, though, so I want more specifics on that.
However, I can't get over spending money or requiring certain abilities to recover PP. Sure, have it as an option but not a demand. Just restricting use to X per saga/quest (where X is character's #PP) would be fine, and people would have to use recovery items/abilities to exceed their natural limit during a single event.
New Addition: Power Points - Pinky - 04-19-2009
duhble post
New Addition: Power Points - Rem-13 - 04-19-2009
At first I pretty much hated it, seemed to much like a video game. Still seems like that but after sitting on it for a day, I can safely say I can treat this, like the entire new system, with indifference. Besides everyone else likes it, and if they I am.
So, you know, I'll let this one slide.
New Addition: Power Points - Sigfried Hunin - 04-19-2009
Rod Hardwood Wrote:Stats and Tech/Ability pages.
50xp per PP (power training tech) seems excessive. Do you have to have the requisite PP for basic power-up to even get the tech? That would put tier-1 power-up at 275xp (75xp for tech, 200xp for required PP). Then, "master" power-up is another 50xp on top of that. Even if you don't need full PP to get the basic power-up, 75xp for basic tier-1 plus 50xp for master, and 100xp for minimal 2PP puts tier-1 at 225xp, which would be less xp than non-master which makes basic level power-ups superfluous.
You start out with 5 PP. You can use the first tier and it's master level without having to buy ANY of the Power Training.
Rod Hardwood Wrote:Stats and Tech/Ability pages.
I get the idea that PP can be used to "power up" other techs. Like, Kamehameha + PP = Chou Kamehameha. That actually seems good. It's not very clear, though, so I want more specifics on that.
You just have to make custom techs that burn PP. They're just all kinds of burl, but you can't just throw them around whenever you like it. It keeps you from using your insta-kill move (which granted, cost like 34563737 exp) every other second. It'll also help you keep your more powerful move's EXP cost down while keeping them balanced.
EDIT: If I understand it all correctly.
New Addition: Power Points - Rem-13 - 04-19-2009
Oops! This is not where I wanted to post. I need to l2tabs
New Addition: Power Points - Celena - 04-19-2009
Rem-13 Wrote:Besides everyone else likes it, and if they I am.
I'm sure you don't mean everyone You don't even know what half of the RPG thinks.