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Competitive Play Discussion - Mr. Zhu - 12-10-2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpDIljv3v4U&context=C2ce57ADOEgsToPDskKGgIt0i7SuPbvnR-AonyJV
Holy mother of god this Leblanc...
Competitive Play Discussion - Mr. Zhu - 12-10-2011
Wow, CDE is freaking beast...
Oh man, there's two people heading top to gank... What do you do Dyrus? Teleport bot and take dragon.
Competitive Play Discussion - Kaden - 12-10-2011
Yeah, CDE absolutely crushed.
Part of that, though, I'm giving to France's absolutely ridiculous picks. That jungle Karthus definitely happened. And why would they pick Galio? I really didn't see what they were hoping to get out of that at all.
Competitive Play Discussion - Mr. Zhu - 01-19-2012
Chaox and Xpecial is just like wtf bot lane... They wrecked CandyPanda and Nyph with ease. Gonna go out on a limb and say Xpecial is the best aggressive Sona in the world... Hell, I'll say he's the best support in the world.
Competitive Play Discussion - Mal Nova - 01-21-2012
That Moscow 5.... How come you guys and trollstomp like that shit?
Competitive Play Discussion - Anzekay - 01-21-2012
Interesting to see MK5's AD carry player build wriggles and zeal with a few doran's before even going for a straight damage item like BT or IE.
Competitive Play Discussion - Mal Nova - 01-21-2012
Well for Kenen it worked really well lol.
Competitive Play Discussion - Mr. Zhu - 01-22-2012
It worked well for all of his carries. His explanation was rushing the Phantom Dancer enabled him to be mobile enough to farm and keep up with his team. Moscow 5 is a very interesting team, definitely one to watch!
Competitive Play Discussion - Kaden - 01-22-2012
The combo of Wriggle's and PD also gives them a ton of extra objective control.
Regardless of how much sense it makes, we're going to be seeing a lot of it with M5's roflstomp of the tournament so far.
Competitive Play Discussion - Belle Hibiki - 01-22-2012
Poor Digi. TSM was beating on them like they were trying to get information on imminent terrorist attacks.
Competitive Play Discussion - Anzekay - 01-22-2012
m5's lane phase warding:
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Competitive Play Discussion - Mr. Zhu - 01-22-2012
Kaden Wrote:The combo of Wriggle's and PD also gives them a ton of extra objective control.
Regardless of how much sense it makes, we're going to be seeing a lot of it with M5's roflstomp of the tournament so far.
It's funny how TSM were actually the team that innovated the AD Carry wriggles, and they got fucked by it because M5 put a sick twist to it. But I'm sure once every single team had time to deliberate a little bit, they will be able to counter M5's strategies. Until they come out with another one that is... lol
Competitive Play Discussion - Anzekay - 01-22-2012
this just in: as far as M5 is concerned, winning lanes is not the only way to win games
Competitive Play Discussion - Belle Hibiki - 01-22-2012
I fell asleep before the final match. Way too late for me. Trying to find a vid online.
That's what I've been hearing, though, yeah: Russians went fucklanes and walked all over TSM.
Competitive Play Discussion - Kaden - 01-23-2012
Belle Hibiki Wrote:That's what I've been hearing, though, yeah: Russians went fucklanes and walked all over TSM.
TSM definitely didn't get crushed.
No one has a jungler that can counter-jungle as well as Darien, and that's mostly what won them all their games. In most conversations, Genja doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves, though; he's a beast AD player.
Saying laning doesn't matter to them is also not really true. TSM roflstomped the second game of the finals because they had such supreme lane control. They could roam to deal with the counter-jungling. Watch the third game and you see that TSM's lanes were not as dominant and, as a result, they couldn't deal with M5's jungler. Lane control was crucial to how the matches played out.
Competitive Play Discussion - Belle Hibiki - 01-23-2012
Is there a video up, yet? I haven't found one.
Competitive Play Discussion - Belle Hibiki - 01-23-2012
Rerun of TSM v M5 match on ESL right now, on first match.
Competitive Play Discussion - Anzekay - 01-23-2012
Kaden Wrote:TSM definitely didn't get crushed.
No one has a jungler that can counter-jungle as well as Darien, and that's mostly what won them all their games. In most conversations, Genja doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves, though; he's a beast AD player.
Saying laning doesn't matter to them is also not really true. TSM roflstomped the second game of the finals because they had such supreme lane control. They could roam to deal with the counter-jungling. Watch the third game and you see that TSM's lanes were not as dominant and, as a result, they couldn't deal with M5's jungler. Lane control was crucial to how the matches played out.
Don't think either of us said that laning doesn't matter to them, just that their entire strategy revolved around an objective-based focus rather than a focus on winning lanes.
But no, they certainly didn't walk over TSM (the second game is proof to that, obviously), but they really did storm the tournament overall, and I think that is due, in part, to their different style of teamplay to everyone else. It's going to shake up the meta a bit, I reckon.
Competitive Play Discussion - Mr. Zhu - 01-23-2012
Kaden Wrote:TSM definitely didn't get crushed.
No one has a jungler that can counter-jungle as well as Darien, and that's mostly what won them all their games. In most conversations, Genja doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves, though; he's a beast AD player.
Saying laning doesn't matter to them is also not really true. TSM roflstomped the second game of the finals because they had such supreme lane control. They could roam to deal with the counter-jungling. Watch the third game and you see that TSM's lanes were not as dominant and, as a result, they couldn't deal with M5's jungler. Lane control was crucial to how the matches played out.
Darien is the toplane player, Diomondez is the jungler lols.
Competitive Play Discussion - Kaden - 01-23-2012
Mr. Zhu Wrote:Darien is the toplane player, Diomondez is the jungler lols.
Yeah, got that backwards. Point still stands, though.