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Rad and Burter - Aiden - 12-11-2006
I already talk to Burter abuot this, and he's told me to post it. I've discussed switching my character with him. i propose my switch to Android 16.
My reasoning. (I know you two have already heard this, but i might as well do it again for the sake of the interrogation that is sure to follow)
I believe that I've given Nappa quite a shot, but i've realized that rping him can become rather dull and repetitive. I've tried two different methods of rping Nappa, one the natural "saiya-jin brute" that all his blood are designed to be. The other was a loner, and quite type of character. The typically saiya-jin fighter, always wanting to fight no matter what the situation is quite frankly not the type of person i want to roleplay. That is exactly why i tired being a loner for a while. As a rped Nappa this way, i looked at him as a loner and thought it just doesn't seem right to have someone who looks like this and has a heritage the way Nappa does and have him anything but the typical "kill all" saiya-jin.
I don't want to write as someone who is of the saiya-jin heritage because i can't stand having to be that kind of person. I would glady change his outlook, and i have tried, but what IS the point of being a saiya-jin if you don't actually want the whole saiya-jin package? (i dunno if you catch my meaning). I want to change to 16 so that i can rp him as a more gentle, and think first fight later type of character. I've tried this with Nappa, and it didn't work one bit.
I sat up last night after my conversation with Burter trying to think of ways I can make Nappa better so that i don't have to go through with this switch, but with every idea came a result that seemed stupid when in the body of a saiya-jin.
Yes i know that i COULD rp Nappa as the type of person i want 16 to be, but i just don't SEE Nappa becoming a good character like that. I see Nappa as a fighter by nature, and i don't think i could change him and make it work.
I think Pikkon, Paragus, and Yamcha could verify that I have in fact tried to change his complete being during my last few weeks on Namek, and the beginning two weeks on Vegeta. But to me it all looked stupid for someone like hiim to do it, so i went back.
That is my argument, i'm ready for whatever you throw at me.
Rad and Burter - Kaden - 12-11-2006
Reijin RPs his character as very calm and collected, and he's a saiyan.
In the show, Goku, Trunks, Gohan, Goten, and Kid Trunks all had saiyan blood, but none of them were blood-thirsty brutes. I think you're ingraining the character too much in the show.
Rad and Burter - Aiden - 12-11-2006
Reijin ==== custom character. I've never read any works of his, nor do i even know what Reijin looks like. It may be true that it can be done, but like i said i've tried to switch the image of Nappa once before, (and by tried i mean i spent time doing it, not like tried it for two posts, then quit). Riej is the only one who does this and can make it work i think, because he has the custom character and there is no information about him so he can do whatever he wants to the character from the beginning and it would look ok.
It is possible that i have to much of the Nappa from the show in my character, but i've tried going a different way. And if we are talking about the show, then all the characters you mentioned have either smashed there heads or are not full saiya-jins. If we were to go by the show, look at Vegeta, KV, Celipa, Nappa, and even Bardock. They all were kill happy.
EDIT: i'm just oging to point out that, like i said to burter. I'm sure this will become a good lengthy arguement. SO i want to say that whatever i say i am in now way getting anry at you two. Also If my request gets denied i do not plan on going character hunting like most people do. my eyes are on 16 that is all, if i can't get him them ok i'll lick my wounds and wait.
Rad and Burter - Kaden - 12-11-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Nappa
because he has the custom character and there is no information about him so he can do whatever he wants to the character from the beginning and it would look ok.
And you just perfectly summed up what 90% of our members don't seem to get. Nappa has no past on Chubbs. He wasn't a servant and warrior to the Pince Vegeta, and never died at the hands of Goku. If you want him to have been a saiyan abandoned on some alien planet and brought up without ever knowing he was actually a saiyan, that's fine.
For a long, long while Raditzu was far from being a blood-lusting brute. He was happy-go-lucky and completely free from any racial lust for battle.
Locking yourself into these preconcieved notions of what Nappa "is" just hurts you as a writer and completely limits your ability to do with him what you want. There is absolutely no reason Nappa can't be free from the saiyan stereotypes. We have an entire planet of NPCs to fill that role.
And thanks for what you said in your edit. I have never gotten upset when discussing a character change with a member and won't do so now.
Rad and Burter - Aiden - 12-11-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Raditzu
And you just perfectly summed up what 90% of our members don't seem to get. Nappa has no past on Chubbs. He wasn't a servant and warrior to the Pince Vegeta, and never died at the hands of Goku. If you want him to have been a saiyan abandoned on some alien planet and brought up without ever knowing he was actually a saiyan, that's fine.
yeah i may have pointed that out, and i realized that now. But a large point i have is that fact that what is the point of being a saiya-jin if you don't want to be a saiya-jin? I mean saiya-jins already have the mentality to fight and kill everything, thats why i could see retane being a saiya-jin and not me. Retane is all about killing, and nothing less. I on the other hand i'm not that big on it. I mean yeah i'll kill if i have to, but i'm not the one to just kill for pleasure. Killing for pleasure is a saiya-jin i see no point in being a saiya-jin unless you want to do that. besides the fact that SSJ is a sick power-up, doesn't sway me from my dislike for any saiya-jin not just Nappa
Quote:For a long, long while Raditzu was far from being a blood-lusting brute. He was happy-go-lucky and completely free from any racial lust for battle.
what is he now? is he the blood lusting brute? if yes, why do you portray him like that?
Quote:Locking yourself into these preconcieved notions of what Nappa "is" just hurts you as a writer and completely limits your ability to do with him what you want. There is absolutely no reason Nappa can't be free from the saiyan stereotypes. We have an entire planet of NPCs to fill that role.
that is very true, and i explained most of this above. I've repeated this many times, and i'm sure you think i think your retarded for doing so, but i have tried to change him and it didn't work. I really tried to make him different from the saiya-jin race, but Nappa will always be Nappa to me and yes it's unfortunate.
Quote:And thanks for what you said in your edit. I have never gotten upset when discussing a character change with a member and won't do so now.
No problem, i should have probably stated that at the beginning but i've seen many character change threads go bad so i thought i would try an prevent it with the staff take, and my statement above. less hassle for both parties.
Rad and Burter - Kaden - 12-11-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Nappa
I mean saiya-jins already have the mentality to fight and kill everything,
You're looking at your character as a saiyan first, and Nappa second. It doesn't matter what saiyans "have." What matters is what Nappa has. If you switch, you're going to end up doing the same thing. Locking 16 into what an android "is" and ignoring what the character could be. Race is a great way to work in predefined characteristics, but that's all it is. There's no guide that says "if your character is a saiyan, he has to act like this." That would be utter bullshit, and its what you're doing to yourself.
I would bet money that, if you switch, you'll play 16 for a while and then back to the exact same spot that you are now: stuck with a character that you "can't change."
Yeah, for the most part I play Raditzu as something of a brute, but that's completely personal preference. It wouldn't matter what race he was. The fact that he's a saiyan just gives me an easy excuse for it. Heh... actually, the whole "bloodlusting saiyan" thing wasn't really what I had planned, its just what Rad turned into. And I'm quite pleased with the outcome.
Rad and Burter - Aiden - 12-11-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Raditzu
Quote:Originally posted by Nappa
I mean saiya-jins already have the mentality to fight and kill everything,
You're looking at your character as a saiyan first, and Nappa second. It doesn't matter what saiyans "have." What matters is what Nappa has. If you switch, you're going to end up doing the same thing. Locking 16 into what an android "is" and ignoring what the character could be. Race is a great way to work in predefined characteristics, but that's all it is. There's no guide that says "if your character is a saiyan, he has to act like this." That would be utter bullshit, and its what you're doing to yourself.
You may be right that i AM looking at Race first. but it is here on chubbs, that sterotype for the saiya-jins. Its in the first paragraph of there race in the new forum (that i forget it's name but have read a lot of). I understand fully that i more than likely have done this to myself, and i'm retarded for doing it. I could just simply change the attitude of my character liek i've done in the past, but i'm almost positive i would not like the outcome. Not because i don't like Nappa, but because i don't think a saiya-jin should be anything other than a saiya-jin.
Quote:I would bet money that, if you switch, you'll play 16 for a while and then back to the exact same spot that you are now: stuck with a character that you "can't change."
I would take that bet. offer anything you'd like.
Quote:Yeah, for the most part I play Raditzu as something of a brute, but that's completely personal preference. It wouldn't matter what race he was. The fact that he's a saiyan just gives me an easy excuse for it. Heh... actually, the whole "bloodlusting saiyan" thing wasn't really what I had planned, its just what Rad turned into. And I'm quite pleased with the outcome.
I bolded a statment of yours in there to further emphasize my point of not wanting to be a siaya-jin for there brute force and lust for fighting. If i want to be that type of person IC then i would LOVE to be one, but again i think being a saiya-jin and not utilizing his heritage (even if i don't have to because i can do whatever i want with the character) is a waste of talent. there is one saiya-jin that is not portrayed as a saiya-jin here on chubbs, and i find it easy to see that we all like to see saiya-jins as saiya-jins.
Rad and Burter - Kaden - 12-11-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Nappa
I understand fully that i more than likely have done this to myself, and i'm retarded for doing it. I could just simply change the attitude of my character liek i've done in the past, but i'm almost positive i would not like the outcome. Not because i don't like Nappa, but because i don't think a saiya-jin should be anything other than a saiya-jin.
There's really nothing to say to that. You just flatly stated you have no intention of trying to change your character. You'd rather just give up on it.
Quote:Yeah, for the most part I play Raditzu as something of a brute, but that's completely personal preference. It wouldn't matter what race he was. The fact that he's a saiyan just gives me an easy excuse for it. Heh... actually, the whole "bloodlusting saiyan" thing wasn't really what I had planned, its just what Rad turned into. And I'm quite pleased with the outcome.
I bolded my actual point.
Rad and Burter - Aiden - 12-11-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Raditzu
Quote:Originally posted by Nappa
I understand fully that i more than likely have done this to myself, and i'm retarded for doing it. I could just simply change the attitude of my character liek i've done in the past, but i'm almost positive i would not like the outcome. Not because i don't like Nappa, but because i don't think a saiya-jin should be anything other than a saiya-jin.
There's really nothing to say to that. You just flatly stated you have no intention of trying to change your character. You'd rather just give up on it.
No you can't say that and be accurate. I have changed my character to the person I want to be, and it didn't work out. what is the point of writing about something that you don't want to write about (unless it is school, and it's worth points). Would you want to write abuot something you don't want to write about especially when you have the option to have a different topic.
Quote:Yeah, for the most part I play Raditzu as something of a brute, but that's completely personal preference. It wouldn't matter what race he was. The fact that he's a saiyan just gives me an easy excuse for it. Heh... actually, the whole "bloodlusting saiyan" thing wasn't really what I had planned, its just what Rad turned into. And I'm quite pleased with the outcome.
I bolded my actual point.
you right it doesn't matter technically, but if i want to have an excuse for being a killer i would be a saiya-jin. I don't want to be a killer, i don't want the option for an excuse to be a killer. Why be one of the best "potential" killers, and not rp as him when someone who wants to RP a saiya-jin as a saiya-jin be him and do much better than i could.
Rad and Burter - Kaden - 12-11-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Nappa
I have changed my character to the person I want to be, and it didn't work out.
That makes absolutely no sense. If it didn't work out, then it wasn't what you wanted.
Rad and Burter - Aiden - 12-11-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Raditzu
Quote:Originally posted by Nappa
I have changed my character to the person I want to be, and it didn't work out.
That makes absolutely no sense. If it didn't work out, then it wasn't what you wanted.
It makes perfect sense if you keep in mind that i believe if you choose a saiya-jin it's because you wanted to be a saiya-jin. I started out here at chubbs as Yamcha a few years ago, and stuck around for a few months never getting one IC relation. i ended up quitting because i was bored writing by myself. Then i came back when i joined just three months or so ago, i started wanting Yamcha. that was a no. Then Cap'n purple, then i realized that he is Murasaki. Then i went to Devil man, because i figured he'd be cool and different, that was a no. Lastly i came to Tien, and it was accepted.
I started writing and posting as tien for a few days. then i was confroted by Burter that HF made a mistake and Tien should be another Joinee's and i would have to pick another person. So i picked Nappa because at the time, my list of characters was bone dry.
Moral of the story, i never wanted to be Nappa, a saiya-jin or anyhing like that. I wanted to be someone simple, that i didn't have to worry about the sterotype of the saiya-jin. I picked Nappa, and i've done 132 posts as Nappa and i don't like to rp him . I tried to stick it out, and i really have. I've grinded through the dry spells, and (more than likely self inflicted) dullness.
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Again i want to thank you for your willingness to listen to my probably dull and repetitive agruement.
Rad and Burter - Kaden - 12-11-2006
I was probably going to say no until you mentioned your post count.
Rad and Burter - Aiden - 12-11-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Raditzu
I was probably going to say no until you mentioned your post count.
well you have all the time in the world to think it over, i don't want to rush you into your decision.
Rad and Burter - Alura - 12-11-2006
I'm for it. +1 Vote for the switch
Rad and Burter - Aiden - 12-11-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Burter
I'm for it. +1 Vote for the switch
thanks for the vote of confidence burter.
Rad and Burter - Kaden - 12-11-2006
Yeah, I'll go for it.
Rad and Burter - Aiden - 12-11-2006
thanks to the both of you for putting up with this whole deal. I appretiate it.
Rad if you still up for that bet, name your offer. Also i'm in a law class, and were doing a mock trial. Our lawer is terrible, would you mind traveling to my school to help? i'm sure you'd make a good one.
Burt - can't say anything but thanks for putting up with my almost daily badgering of questions, and random stuff.
Rad and Burter - Kaden - 12-11-2006
I've taken a couple of Poli. Sci. classes, actually. I was planning on being a lawyer at one point. If it were less researching and more Jack McCoy I would be doing it right now.
=(
Anyway, I was just being facetious with the whole bet thing.
Rad and Burter - Aiden - 12-12-2006
Quote:Originally posted by Raditzu
I've taken a couple of Poli. Sci. classes, actually. I was planning on being a lawyer at one point. If it were less researching and more Jack McCoy I would be doing it right now.
=(
Anyway, I was just being facetious with the whole bet thing.
it's pretty decent stuff, law.
But i'll take the stat hit whenever your ready to deliver it. mmk, thanks again.
Rad and Burter - Ashe - 12-12-2006
Nothing to add here except one thing.
Reijin hadn't been around his Saiyan brethren after his early childhood years and went through some training that helped him focus his mind. He obviously has that tiny "saiyan rage" that wants to affect him, but he's learned to focus that. His "Saiyan battle lust" is more displayed by his determination to accomplish his goals and he lusts for the actual competition and the following of said goals, not just mindless destruction.