Pokemon Malfia-After Disaster

[Mal Nova]

Here's a list of everyones characters and their evolutions if they had one...



1) Meowth-
Oh Snap it's Meowth! Red Rockets Meowth that is!
Ability- Pay Day- You receive +1 vote for every Red Rocket memeber . Triggered ability
Alignment: Red Rocket
Notes: Once every odd night phase(1,3,5,7,9) you can target someone to join the side of Red Rocket. Recruitted members lose acess to their abilities while they are on the side of Red Rocket. If you are slain, all Red Rocket members reverted to their previous alignments. Red Rocket Members can only PM you, not each other. You can not be evolved. If a Red Rocket Member is lynched, they will be revealed as a Red Rocket member.
Sleeptalker
Rose


DEAD 2) Mew
Mew? Mew? Mew?
Ability: AncientPower- Each night phase you can target someone. If the Target has a higher teir of evolution, he will automatically evolve. You will gain knowledge as to what they were and who they evolved into as well what their ability is. Activate Ability
Alignment: Townsperson
Sleeptalker
Whompt


3 )Mewtwo-
Whats going on? Who Am I?
Ability: Psychic- Each Night you can target a person. The targeted person loses the use of their ability for the remainder of the game. Activate Ability
Alignment: Mafia
Leo


4) Slowpoke-
Slooooowwwwwwww!
Ability: Slack Off- At the end of each day phase that ends with you not being involved in a lynch will give you +1 towards the next Lynch you are involved in. This is stackable. Triggered ability
Aligment:Townperson
Rafael

Slowbro
Broooooooooo
Ability: Amnesia- Whats better then being lazy and slacking off? Having amnesia! As you get distracted by wondering how the hell you got an ugly assed Shellder on your ass you tend to forget why you were getting lynched in the first place. You get all confused and it causes everyone else to get confused too! You receive -x votes towards your Lynch count. X= The amount of votes you received the previous day.

Secondary- Giga Impact- If killed at night, you take down your killer with you. If killed during the day a Mafia member that is involved with your death is pinpointed at random unless he is the last remaining memeber..




5) Growlithe
Grrrrrrr! Hooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwllllllllllllllllllll!
Ability: Odor Slueth- Each Night Phase you can target one person. The target's pokemon, thier ability and a 25% chance of revealing their alignment. Activate Ability
Alignment: Townsperson
Sleeptalker
John Doe

Arcanine
Who the fuck wants a Pit Bull or Rotwieller when they can have an Arcanine?
Ability: Take Down- As you evolved you knew your people needed you so you chose to use more force! Each Night you can target one person. The targeted person's ability is revealed and theirs a 75% chance of their alignment being revealed. There is a 10% chance that the person that you target will know that you investigated them.
Secondary- Exreme Speed- Once per game in a Night Phase you can use this. It increases your speed and automatically boosts your determination. You can target a person in place of Take Down and reveal their ability and alignment will be revealed to you. They will know you investigated them.


DEAD 6) Hitmonlee-
Reach out and touch a brotha'!
Ability: Focus Energy: So long as Hotmonchan is alive. You can not be killed during Day Phase Lynching. Triggered Ability
Note: You and Hitmonchan go aways back as sparring buddies! You and him are able to converese secretly with one another.
Alignment: Townsperson
Johnathan Meer

DEAD 7) Hitmonchan-
Fist of fury!
Ability: Counter: So long as Hitmonlee is alive, you can not be killed during Night Phase by mafia. Triggered ability.
Note: You and Hitmonlee go aways back as sparring buddies! You and him are able to converese secretly with one another.
Alignment: Townsperson
Vad

DEAD 8) Mr. Mime-
Mime Mime Mime!
Ability: Barrier- During the Night Phase you can target a person, even yourself if you so choose. You create a barrier around the target. Mafia can not kill them that night. Activate Ability
Alignment: Townperson
Kole T Merr

9) Ditto
So they forgot about Ditto! Now it's time to show them all!
Ability: Transform- During the Night Phase you have the chance to target a person pick a person and mimic the person and their ability for that day. During the end of that Day Phase you have a 50% chance of reverting back to your orginial form. If you revert back to your original form you may chose to target another. If you do not target another, Triggered ability
Alignment: Mafia
Celena

DEAD10) Drowzee
Mmmmm dreams!!!
Ability: Dream Eater- As the sleep talkers talk, you are able to identify who said what. Triggered ability
Alignment: Townsperson
Sleeptalker
Kaden

Hypno
You are getting sleepy! Very Sleepy!
Ability: Nightmare- Whats worst then just eating dreams? Causing a nightmare! Anyone that is a sleep talker and doesn't sleep talk at least once during the Night phase will have their allignment and ability shown to you.
Secondary Ability- Hypnosis- Once per night phase you can select someone and turn them into a permanant sleep talker

DEAD11) Doduo
Two heads are better then one
Ability- Fury Swipe: Your ability is simple. Your vote gets counted as 2 .
Alignment: Townperson
Jarka

Dodrio
And three is better then two!
Ability-Tri Attack- Simple again! You vote is counted as 3
Secondary Ability- Pursuit-During the Night phase you can activate pursuit. Each person that attempts a Night Action during that night has 1/3 chance to have that action revealed to you, 1/3 chance to be haulted, or 1/3 chance to have nothing happen. You can not die during the night that you use Pursuit.One time use


12) Koffing
Got gas anyone?
Ability: Smog- Anyone that targets you during the Night phase will get blasted by your smog. They have a 50% chance of getting poisoned(instant death 4 phases later).If the Sherrif visits you theres a 50% chance that he will come back with a reveal that you are a Townsperson. Triggered Ability
Alignment: Mafia
Sleeptalker
Waf

Weezing
Smell the toxicity!
Ability; Toxic- So they think you were bad assed back then? Look at you now! The poison you now have is much more potent. It is still a 50% chance, but now they die at the end of the next night! Of course your waste has a bad smell that makes people dizzy. Any sheriff type role that visists you initially has a 75% chance that you will be revealed as a Townsperson the first time; 50% the Second time; 25% the third and 0% the fourth.(He'd really have to wonder about you if he came back that many times and lived to tell the tale, eh?)


It must suck to be a poison Pokemon! Anyone that sees your ability will probably assume you are Mafia. But you have a secret weapon...
Secondary Ability-Sludge Bomb- At any time.. Day or Night Phase you may use this on any posoned Pokemon. It will kill them instantly.(One Time use)

[Mal Nova]

Here's the recap of what happened...

Day 1 Recap

John Doe was Growlithe who evolved into Arcanine
Had Jarka(Do duo) been active... she could have twisted somethings...


Night 1 Recap
Doe(Arcanine) investigated Kaden(Drowzee) and also got found out as well.
Whompt(Mew) tried to evolve Rose(Rocket Meowth)
Kole T Merr(Mr.Mime) tried to protect Kaden
Mafia (Leo)Mewtwo used Psychic on Doe(Arcanine) and made him useless...
Mafia Celena(Ditto) transformed into Jarka.
Mafia Waf(Koffing)Killed (Mr. Mime)
Rose(Rocket Meowth) Converted Mafia Leo(Mewtwo)


Day 2
Drowzee evolved into Hypno

Night 2

Hypno turned Ditto into a Sleeptalker
Mew evolved Koffing and got poisoned and Mew would die in 4 phases
Mafiaa Waff killed Hypno
Ditto was stuck as Doduo

Day 3

Meowth got lynched and Mewtwo reverted back to Mafia


Night 3

Mew has 2 phases left to live.
Ditto changes back to Ditto then copied Hitmonchan
Mew evolves Doduo
Koffing Kills Doduo
Mewtwo blasts Slowpoke to disable his power


Day 4
Hitmonlee got lynched

Night 4.
Mew dies from poison
Mafia kills Hitmonlee

[Mal Nova]

So What are your thoughts?

[John Doe]

Mewtwo's power was not a one time use? OP.

Again, somebody used the Granny with Shotgun role aligned with the mafia. It shouldn't be like that, and it's just dumb.

Meer and Vad could have prevented their deaths so easily.

Then there's rage at people not participating. And generally making bad decisions.

Overall it was pretty creative, but I would have changed balancing a lot. Also, you shouldn't talk so much, Mal.

[Blue]

I feel like your desire to give everyone an ability threw off the balance, especially when you throw evolutions into the mix. And all the secondary abilities you gave people... well, that's overpowered right there. Mewtwo's ability was WAY overpowered. And some people's, like Slowpoke's, were underpowered and risky to use. It was an awesome concept, but for a first time with little experience, I would have went simpler.

I would like to think I played a pretty good game this go around. Hopefully people agree.

[Jonathan Meer]

How, exactly, would we have prevented our deaths John? The Hitmon powers sound all cool, until you sit down and try to do something with them, and you realize they're...kinda useless. It's basically a passive perk that cannot be leveraged.

'OH HEY GUYS, don't lynch Vad because he's hitmon and I'm hitmon and that means that neither of us can be targeted by mafia and blah blah blah'

Townspeople (appropriate and reasonable) response: "lolwut? Just mafia covering for mafia. Kill him.'

Mewtwo was way OP.

[Tyr]

Vad could just have talked more often, maybe not just jump bandwagons asap without even a note. I honestly thought he was a Jester of some kind, but I guess he was just a mason.

[Mal Nova]

Actually what really got the town from the get go was the loss of the Mime.

That and Doe pointing a target on his back, followed by Kaden as well with their blatant evolution. Doe could have held back and had 2-3 possible candidates evolve at once and not have Mafia know that he was so well a target.

Also... If Mewtwo used psychic on you before you evolved, after you evolved you would have fresh abilities that weren't disabled.

I actually liked the Hitmon-brother concept though. I was thinking about the original Yugioh cartoon when I created them. I cant remember the two monsters Think they were battle swamp ogres #1 and #2 and in the cartoon one would protect the other and so on. Then Vad and J-Meer got it and I thought it was going to be golden. Then when you look at who had the other roles it was almost like an allstar cast for the town.

Still would have been better if you had the Mankey and Magmar in it...

[Jarka]

Day 1 Recap

John Doe was Growlithe who evolved into Arcanine
Had Jarka(Do duo) been active... she could have twisted somethings...

I like how you call me out for not doing anything on day 1 when you switched from a 48 hour time span to a 24 hour length midday.

I checked the thread right when it opened to see the time span, said, "Oh, sweet, I have some breathing room to see what everybody says," and did stuff IRL. By the time I got back, you had made the change and it was already the night phase.

It legitimately pissed me off, hence my lack of doing things this game. Future mafia hosts, if you're going to change the length of a phase, wait until the next phase starts to do so. Otherwise, you'll probably fuck somebody over.

[Mal Nova]

Wasn't calling anyone out.

And everyone was saying that day 1 was too long =/

[Kaden]

I called the mafia so early this game. Was talking with Teemer on Mumble when I did it, too. He can confirm.

That and Doe pointing a target on his back, followed by Kaden as well with their blatant evolution. Doe could have held back and had 2-3 possible candidates evolve at once and not have Mafia know that he was so well a target.

The powers were horribly unbalanced between mafia and town, really. MewTwo could have been the only ability that the mafia had and it still would have been mostly unbalanced.

Then you give them someone who can mimic MewTwo's abilities and someone who not only kills people who visit them, but can also turn up town on investigation.

Which, of course, brings up the town's investigative abilities. We had Growlithe/Arcanine who ended up revealing himself, and Drowzy/Hypo who's investigative abilities were completely contingent on whether or not someone posted during sleeptalk. If they did, the power was worthless.

Then there's also the meta-game of evolving. It's a cool concept, and adds a lot of flavor, but does not promote balance at all. The mafia had two-to-three "kill" powers per night, making evolution pretty much worthless. If one person evolved, then they either used MewTwo/Ditto to neuter them, or they killed them outright. While evolution should be a liability, it ended up being neigh worthless.

The other thing, and this I attribute to Mal hosting for the first time, is that the host was simply giving out too much information. Though I disapprove of how Teemer expressed his dissatisfaction, and I made sure he knew as much, I agree with the sentiment. The whole point of the game is information gathering, and just letting everyone know who is which pokemon is a huge advantage to the mafia.

Now, the town (read: Meer) could have played this significantly better as well. If we had let multiple people evolve on day one, we might have ended up with a sheriff who could do something, or a doctor that stayed alive. The town's pokemon needed to be evolved in order to have any kind of shot at winning and that just didn't happen.

Additionally, if you're going to sign up for the game, actually play it. It's fucking retarded to have people sign up to play and then do and say absolutely nothing. Ever. Yeah, some people are busy and can't make a post. That's fine. That's not the problem. The problem is people who regularly and consistently sign up and don't do anything. If you're going to do that, don't play at all. Or, if you're going to just sit there and be pissy because of X, then say something to everyone else.

EDIT: I don't say any of this to make it sound like everything was awful, or whatever. I like the format and think it could be a lot of fun to try again. I want to provide useful feedback.

[Blue]

I also had kind of an investigative ability. It didn't provide much, but it did out Rose before he could really turn the game.

Rose was pretty OP too, btw. If he had made it to Night 3 without dying, he could have almost run the game. +1 vote per member would have given him 3, plus the votes of the cultmembers.

All in all, I like the concept. I just think a simpler format would have worked better. Maybe a Doc and. Sheriff, and no other roles.

Also, on the topic of the cult: I hate this addition. It makes things WAY harder for the town. Hell, its basically a second Mafia that can keep their numbers up.

[Tyr]

A somewhat critical rule to add is the "if Cult recruits a Mafia, they gone dead". I'm inclined to just rip a make up from the Mafia StarCraft 2 game, as it is pretty balanced but it tends to play on scores as a way to keep people playing shitty roles. Fat chance of it happening here.

[Rafael]

Holy fuck, already? and, wow, Mewtwo is nuts. I was gonna try and lynch Kaden the next day because I assumed the ability used was Disable, with most of the users being moderately obscure pokemon including Hypno, but Psychic. Never woulda guessed

[Kole T. Merr]

Another thing, is that if you are going to include Evolution as a thing, I think that most characters should have it. Everyone's all excited about the possibility of evolving, except for the fact that half of the people in the game couldn't evolve.

I will apologize for intruding in the middle of the game, my tone was less than cordial. However, I do stand by my statement that too much information was being given.

[Kaden]

Another thing, is that if you are going to include Evolution as a thing, I think that most characters should have it. Everyone's all excited about the possibility of evolving, except for the fact that half of the people in the game couldn't evolve.

With powers that directly affect evolution, I like that only some could evolve. It fits mafia mechanically.

[John Doe]

How, exactly, would we have prevented our deaths John? The Hitmon powers sound all cool, until you sit down and try to do something with them, and you realize they're...kinda useless. It's basically a passive perk that cannot be leveraged.

'OH HEY GUYS, don't lynch Vad because he's hitmon and I'm hitmon and that means that neither of us can be targeted by mafia and blah blah blah'

Townspeople (appropriate and reasonable) response: "lolwut? Just mafia covering for mafia. Kill him.'

Because saying nothing (you) and voting for yourself (Vad) was SO much better than revealing. Remember, we were basically voting on nothing but a 50% wager because nobody was fucking doing anything.

I just want to clarify why the "Granny with Shotgun" role should NOT be put with the Mafia. The game is all about information; gathering for the town, or utilizing with the mafia. Having a role that kills anyone who visits should be a role sided with town, or themselves. Why is that? When it is sided with mafia, they receive too much reward for too little risk. There's no way anyone sided with mafia will be killed from that specific power, giving the mafia even MORE chances to kill than they already have. However, giving it to a townie, there's more play involved. Should you wait to snag a mafia with your power? Should you reveal early to prevent losing an important town role? It has more risk for both mafia and town this way, as well as making the game more balanced.

Likewise, here's a few things to make Mewtwo a lot more balanced.

A: Make Mewtwo's power a one time thing. You are making somebody useless for the rest of the game. Consider that. After Mewtwo gets them, they can't do a damn thing, for the REST OF THE GAME. You're basically killing them. The mafia already kills people, they don't need to have two roles that do that (Kaden already said something like that).

B: Make Mewtwo's power so that it makes people useless for a cycle (Day and Night phase) instead of the whole game. This is basically is the "Hooker" role I've used in both of my games. It's basically a more flexible version of "A" because you could choose to lock a single target for each phase, or select the same target you plan to kill to get a sure thing.

As I've said, I'd love to see this again when it's more polished and balanced. I enjoyed the concept, but the execution was lacking.