Champions

[John Doe]

I need more troll-ish champ builds guys. Here's what I play as:

Jungledinger
Mandrop Pantheon (AP Panth)
Tiamat Ezreal
Gold per 5 Evelynn

I don't actually own Cass or Kog'Maw, so I can't use them. I have all the 450 and 1350 champs, most of the 3k champs (Cho, Garen, Gragas, Heimer, Jax, Morde, Olaf, Panth, Rammus, Shen, Sona, Taric, Teemo, Warwick and Xin), none of the 4k, and a few of the 6k champs (Brand, Corki, Ez, Karth and Malzahar).

Any troll-ish build recommendations? I'm thinking that DPS Shen would be awesome, but more suggestions would be great thank you.

[Kaden]

Attack Speed Cho'Gath
AP Corki
AD Gragas
Tank Sivir

[Josh]

AP Rammus, do it.

Build

Morello's evil tome -> Sorc Boots -> Deathcap -> Void Staff -> Archangel -> Rylai's

Do it, power ball like a champ.

Edit: For Shen build

Hextech Gunblade -> Haunting Guise -> Beserk Greaves -> Nashor's - > Rod of Ages -> Rylai's

[Kole T. Merr]

Attack speed Cho is hilarious.

[John Doe]

Attack Speed Cho'Gath
AP Corki
AD Gragas
Tank Sivir

Awesome. I was recently pondering how to do a fun build with Gragas. I'm very excited.

And it was only after I posted it that I remembered attack speed Cho.

[Ashe]

Awesome. I was recently pondering how to do a fun build with Gragas. I'm very excited.

And it was only after I posted it that I remembered attack speed Cho.

AD Gragas is actually pretty fun and not really terrible either.

[Rafael]

So, Vad may be onto something. LeBlanc=craaaazy fun

[Vad]

So, Vad may be onto something. LeBlanc=craaaazy fun

:D

[Kaden]

Assassins are awesomely fun when you actually get to assassinate people.

[Kaden]

Pantheon

• Heartseeker Strike
  • Now does a better job of hitting targets on top of Pantheon
    
  • Damage increased to 13/23/33/43/53 from 4/6/8/10/12
    
  • Scaling adjusted to a .6 bonus Attack Damage ratio from a .2/.25/.3/.35/.4 total Attack Damage ratio
    
  • Now fires 3 strikes instead of 5
    
  • Cooldown reduced to 10/9/8/7/6 seconds from 18/17/16/15/14 seconds
    
  • Mana cost reduced to 45/50/55/60/65 from 70 at all ranks
    
  • Channel duration reduced to .75 seconds from 1.8 seconds
    
• Spear Shot
  • Damage increased to 65/105/145/185/225 from 16/28/40/52/64
    
  • Now scales off of a 1.4 bonus Attack Damage ratio from a 1/1.15/1.3/1.45/1.6 total Attack Damage ratio
    
  • Certain Death now causes Spear Shot to critically strike for 1.5x damage
    
• Aegis of Zeonia
  • Cooldown adjusted to 13/12/11/10/9 seconds from 12 seconds at all levels
    
  • Stun duration adjusted to 1 second from .7/.9/1.1/1.3/1.5
    
  • Pantheon will now attempt to attack the target after using Aegis of Zeonia
    
• Grand Skyfall
  • Jump channel time reduced to 2 seconds from 3 seconds
    
  • Land time reduced to 1.5 seconds from 2 seconds
    
  • Edge damage increased to 50% from 33%

Holy shit Pantheon.

He is going to be so stupidly OP. I genuinely have never looked at patch notes and thought "what the hell is Riot thinking?!" This is insane. His Spear Shot is going to be way too strong and I can't believe they increased the fringe damage on his ult in the same patch they reduced its channel time.

Max Q for early game. One rank of W. Ult-gank through the mid-game. Max E in the mid-late game for stupid amounts of damage.

[Rafael]

Whooooooooooa. Yeah, wtf.

Oh, actually, hit the forums and the buffs aren't quite as insane as they look if this guys is right:

His Spear Shot and Heart Seeker Strike got their scaling changed so that they scale from bonus Attack Damage as compared to total Attack Damage. The buff to the base damage on each ability on a per rank basis covers the difference in damage that would have been if his base Attack Damage had also been included (note this is by rank 5 and level 18) .

So overall he might be a touch strong, but we'll see. Randomly, when I try to edit this post I see the end of the copy/pasted part, but when it's I save it, the part in parentheses is missing the 8

[Kaden]

His Spear Shot and Heart Seeker Strike got their scaling changed so that they scale from bonus Attack Damage as compared to total Attack Damage. The buff to the base damage on each ability on a per rank basis covers the difference in damage that would have been if his base Attack Damage had also been included (note this is by rank 5 and level 18) .

Yeah, I know. He's still going to be too strong. Doran's Blade + mastery + AD runes = ~28 attack damage. At 1.4 ratio, it's about 35 damage. That's about 100 damage Q at level 1 and its still a 4 second CD.

The numbers for the current Panth with the same set up would be 82 attack damage. That would be a 98 damage Spear Shot. We'll call that breaking even.

At level 6, with the same gear, new Panth will have 180 on his Q whereas old Panth would have 165 damage on his Q (([65 base + 28 bonus] * 1.3) + 40). And the ult currently takes long. And the ult scales down to 30% damage instead of 50%.

Oh yeah. And the spear fucking crits. (270 damage at level three with the above AD)

He'll also get more out of a level 1 W. The only thing that won't be just flat-out better is HSS. It's only at this-will-probably-be-better level.

I hope this just looks worse on paper than it will be in the game.

EDIT: I want to run him with AD Reds/Quints and MP5 Yellow/Blue. Start Doran's Blade. Tear > CDR Boots > Brutalizer > Manamune > Defensive. With either Ghostblade or Last Whisper as the "wtf i have too much gold" item.

[Orion]

Yay! My main is viable again!

[Ashe]

Kennen buffs. Me gusta. I don't even necessarily feel he needs them but I do admit he's been pushed out due to other characters providing more in his slot lately (Brand, Annie, Malzahar all come to mind). That said, I think there were other AP characters that would have needed the attention before it ever got to Kennen. Also going to enjoy playing a Tanky Garen build again with the Courage buff.

[Kaden]

I really wish they had raised the cooldown on rank 1 of Courage for Garen. It was already the thing you ranked last and they made it 5 times (literally) better to do that for absolutely no trade-off.

[John Doe]

Cooldowns reduced on his Stun, 50% the lowest on the drop, and the drop is like twice as fast now.

AP Panth is going to be OP.

[John Doe]

Jarvan will no longer follow the target while he is in the air during Cataclysm

I hate you Jarvan. I hate you so much. I'm glad this happened you buggy piece of shit. Burn in hell in your little grave you dug for yourself.

[Rafael]

Is Skarner out yet, and is his ult OP?

[Tyr]

I really wish they had raised the cooldown on rank 1 of Courage for Garen. It was already the thing you ranked last and they made it 5 times (literally) better to do that for absolutely no trade-off.

It's a one-point wonder. Put one in it, last hit like a baws, win game.

[Kaden]

It's a one-point wonder. Put one in it, last hit like a baws, win game.

That was my point.

Riot did a series of nerfs, specifically to that skill, so that it was only worthwhile if you ranked. Then they completely undid all of that in one patch. Not only is it still a point-point wonder, now it's a better one-point wonder.