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[Banned Dana]

I was told to STFU on more than one occasion about this, so I am. >.>

EDIT: not by staff by by peers. *eyes*

[Alura]

Eh?

[Banned Dana]

It was a request for my SSJ2 to be removed in exchange for another technique.

[Alura]

Yea, not happening. You earned what you got. If you want someone else, go earn that

[Alura]

Btw, since you didn't return to 13, we're thinking you should take a stat dive.

[Kazuya]

This isn't a staff only, so I thought I'd pop my input into this.

Dana gave up his character willingly to a guy that's been gone for months. And just because he's not going back to 13, you guys want to give him a stat dive? How's that fair? In my opinion, he should have been able to keep Piccolo, since the other guy has been gone for so long, and its unfair that he should get a stat dive for keeping to the agreement that was made here. Last time old Piccolo was heard from? September 3rd. Stepping Out? <== there. Now, really. If it was anyone else, it'd be like, "WTF? No. Choose someone else. Too bad."

Point and case, I don't see it as fair that he should take a stat dive for this when on several other occasions when switches were made to give up a character for someone else who had either gone away or went inactive for some reason or another, WILLINGLY, no stat dive was taken, except when it was pointed out and argued against.

Just my opinion, but please, think it over.


Thanks.

[Ashe]

We aren't just picking on him, so don't even throw that out there.

As far as the Piccolo and OldPiccolo thing is concerned, that's an agreement b/t them, so don't make it sound as if we stepped in and told them what was happening either, they'd already done it themselves and we just acted on it.

As best as I can tell, from September to now is about two months, and I haven't looked yet, but I believe he had a good reason for asking to be MIA for that and we decided to allow Dana to go back to Picc in the time being.

The problem in general (this situation not really counting in my mind) is that he's always got a completely good reason to switch characters, and isn't happy with any character he gets. It wasn't ok when Max did it, people were pissed when Kirano kept doing it, and when Dana does it people rejoice. And we are picking on him.

EDIT: This isn't intended as a thrust at Dana either, for clarification. I am just explaining why we'd even consider it. I don't intend to cause a problem, and I'm actually on my way to bed right now.

[Kazuya]

I am not saying you are picking on expressly him, what I was saying can apply to anyone else in the same situation. If a player gives up their character willingly, as per an agreement, either between staff and them, or between the two players, and the staff KNOWS about it (thus why I brought the one link into it), I believe that a stat dive is pretty unfair.

Do you see what I am saying now?

[Alura]

If a player gives up their character willingly

Keeping in mind that he took Piccolo when it WASN'T given willingly. So it's not like he just gave up his own character. He gave back the one he already took, without asking. I give Dana no credit for giving back what was taken

If he went back to 13, we wouldn't care. But right now it's like a free switch that he's taking advantage of. He has no real reason to not return to the character he originally had.

And btw, we were leaning on not giving him a dive but you've really made a good arguement for reasons FOR giving him the stat dive, not against

[Jonathan Meer]

I'll probably just reiterate stuff here, but since I'm SO much better with words than any other Staffer, I'll have a go.

Pure and simple, the rule is that you have to take a -25 stat dive when you switch characters. Dana switched to Piccolo, and made the choice to give up the character when/if the OldPiccolo returned. Apparently, some of you assumed that this honorable decision means he would get a free switch out of it, but this was never the case. Essentially, through a bit of twisting, he got to doink around with Piccolo, then switch straight to Pan.

The stat deduction is in place to prevent people from hopping around all the time and causing headaches. Dana's character switching is causing headaches. Hence, he should take a stat deduction.

The Staff is discussing this, and we will let you all know when we reach a conclusion. Sorry if this feels like we're picking on Dana, but we're not. This is how the system works. Dana knew it.

[Ander]

By the way, his Regeneration needs to be taken off his abilities on the roster.

[Banned Dana]

hey, I'm cool with a stat dive guys, if it's needed to keep things fair then so be it. I'm not really in this for the stats and all, so just go ahead and take them.

Thanks for sticking up for me Vi... =D

And I don't think you're picking on me, just trying to keep things as fair as possible...so do whatever you guys see fit.

[Alura]

Because it was out of AncientPiccolo's control. It wasn't his fault that someone took his character. Why should he be given a penalty because we gave his character up while he was away, even after he gave us warning?

And btw, I'm pretty impressed with how Dana is handling this

[Banned Dana]

so what's the decision or still being decided?

Either way I really don't mind, er, just let me know before next sunday so I know what and how to do my tp. Thanks guys. =D

[Ashe]

Ok, given things...

I feel that ONLY because we originally gave him a free switch from 13 to Piccolo (due to some promises) and then when Piccolo returned, someone we had said we'd save the character for but didn't under Dana's request, he gets his character back as agreed by Dana's plea. The thing is, instead of going back to 13, he goes to someone else.

Essentially, he got a free switch from 13 to Pan, no strings attached. This is why we are considering it.

We are under two categories. One is that you either return to 13, or get the penalty you dodged through our agreement, since you chose someone else.

The other ruling is "No penalty this time, but a double penalty next time, to prevent this from happening again" due to the few changes.

I'm not totally sure how the ruling will go, because we are almost totally split on vote here.

[Kaden]

Originally posted by Reijin
you either return to 13, or get the penalty

There's my stance.

[Banned Dana]

I will take the penalty, sounds fair to me.

[Jonathan Meer]

Penalty = updated

[Banned Dana]

thanks for the consideration and all that guys, but in the end, everything needs to be fair and I understand that. =D