10-18-2009, 10:54 PM
Bil Baer Jaxx Wrote:Ryze has a really stupid combo where he stops you in your tracks and can nuke you for pretty much all of your health. There's nothing you can do either, other than watch it happen to someone else and take advantage of the cooldown.
This guy played with Shaco a few games ago and got 43 kills. I really didn't know wtf to do, what are you supposed to do when he does that clone thing?
Ryze is not bad if you keep aware of where he is at all times. With Shaco, you have to really notice certain things about the clone. First off, if you make him walk anywhere, the clone will almost always be following the original. Second, the clone takes larger chunks of damage, so if its super squishy, its the clone. This reduces as he levels it up, but it doesn't go away. Third, if it does its stealth teleport move to get a stronger attack, its the original. The clone won't do it, nor will it place its traps.
Honestly, Shaco is really no more broken than Ryze/Twitch/ any other good "ganker" character that specializes in showing up and blowing you up for being too low on life. It takes awareness of where they are (yeah, looking at your minimap) and anticipation (Like last night, how Tryg wasn't compensating for the Karrthus nuke when looking at his health, so he'd always keep himself right at the point where the nuke would kill him. He knows what to do there, so I was surprised he kept getting caught with it.)
Heim is the only character that I see as not being able to work around. People say you can, but a lot of what they say is bogus. "I can just run in and one shot each of them with my autoattack, so maybe you are just bad" is a cop-out. No, you can't do that, and stop being full of shit. I can do the pirate's ultimate and SOMETIMES I clear them out, SOMETIMES I don't, depending on the luck of where the canons actually hit. I'm still at this point not seeing any tactical method of handling them.
Something I'm going to try is Teemo harassing the Heim player though. If he can't stick around due to my poisons (and I can outrun the turrets) then he'll have to gtfo (I'm faster than his actual broken move - the grenade, and his missles won't kill me too much). If I can slip in there just before the canons I can shroom up the walkway and force him to redeploy somewhere else.

