The Like/Hate thread (WoW)

[Ashe]

Lol stealth ambush (maybe eviscerate) yr dead, vanish lol you can't see me anymore run away, rinse, repeat, lol I rock at this game.

^ Basic gist of being a rogue nowadays.

Nowadays? This is how they were destroying my ass in vanilla too. Its part of the original concept of being able to come out of the shadows, assassinate someone, then fade back with no repercussions from teammates because you can't find them.

Yes and Paladins, Boomkins, Warriors, Warlocks, and Disc Priests are any different?

The rogue loses 1 on 1 to every class. How they are currently built, Blizzard has designed them to work in a group. The Rogue has control like a mage to keep the healer busy while you take out DPS, or do the exact reverse. In an Arena team you design it around the Rogue.

While the rotation seems easy, I remember you disliking the rogue for it's complexity; and timing is whole different ballpark when it comes to PvP. Not just for Rogues.

While I agree with the arena stuff, this is the first time I've seen someone try to argue that a rogue loses 1 on 1 against every class. Plate classes? Sure, I'll accept that, they are supposed to beat rogues (though rogues got a lot of tools in the last expac to deal with that sort of stuff).

Its actually a tough claim to make for either side.

Plate armor wearers were supposed to be able to mitigate most of the rogue's white damage and smash them. Then they were doing it so well that rogue's needed Evasion to increase their own survivability against these large hits. Then the other side couldn't hit this ghost so they are like "OVERPOWER PROCS!" Rogues need help now, so they start doing some Disarm action. Plate classes go get chains for their weapons. Rogues then get that shield removing move. And the cycle continues.

Rogues were destroying warlocks all day and night. Locks learn improved Death Coil that does more than a nuke drain life. Rogues end up perma feared and dead, so they learn some Cloak of Shadows and Shadowstep maneuvering. Warlocks can't get the rogues off them to stop that stunlock bs, so they get Demonic Circle to teleport to - if they can ever move while stunned. I'm not sure where its progressed by this point.

Mages were kiting rogues all over but then they got CoS and ShS, etc.

So really, there have been times the argument that "Rogues are destroyed 1v1" has made sense (in some class contexts) while they've also been known as the complete 1v1 annihilator. Warlocks have shared that role with them, in that they were "the best 1v1 duel class" all through BC with SLSL (since 90% of the classes had a Fear Immunity button). Then they had their mushroom phases.