RAGE Thread

[Ashe]

Absolute truth. I contest nothing about that. Trygelan is in the "doesn't surrender 95%" of the time bracket and I'm in the "98%" bracket. If I've surrendered, that should say something. If there's a "NO" vote, 98 times out of a 100, its me and him.

Something that frustrates me heavily, regarding what Meer said, is that sometimes people don't view it as a vote. I view it every time as "Do you desire this game to be over right now?", with each person putting their opinion in, making their opinions known. If 4 of 5 vote it (and yes, I have had quite a few times where Tryg has voted yes in situations I've voted no, so I don't want the interpretation that we lock votes up to be had), then that's what the accepted majority desire, and thus the final opinion is meaningless. What I hate though is that some people get to the point where its not a vote at all - its a statement of intent. Typing /surrender is their way of saying "I'm done with this game. You can continue if you want, but I'm done, and I will either stand in the Nexus, feed, screw around with solo Baron attempts, suicide towers down, whatever until you finish as well." This puts me (and possibly others) into a quandary of "Do I vote what my opinion is, or is that option taken away from me out of risk of the person putting forth the 'vote' viewing everyone who disagrees with them as a 'fucking asshole'?" Also, chances are if this sounds familiar to you, then yes, I have you (plural) in mind for it, but no, I'm not specifically trying to call any one person out because if I were, I'd put names. This is something that I've felt myself in the position of multiple times and no one person is the sole example there - if I did name examples, I would have at least three, possibly four names instantly coming to mind. Note - I still play with these people regularly, so its not a strong feeling and I am sure they have equal level thoughts in counter to it. But I do want to make it aware, regarding Meer's comment, that sometimes its not simply a "vote" as intended but a statement of "I quit - we lose - how fast we lose is up to you - but I'm done".

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And again, in a Normal game, I play one hundred percent for the fun of the game itself and have a blast in almost all situations. If I'm getting demolished, I'm still having a blast trying to get through their team to that carry in the back, even in a bad trade. I make little games out of it and never feel "bored" with LoL.

In a Ranked game, I absolutely can feel very Civik-ish and get super demoralized early game and want to just take my loss up my ass and move on.

Part of why I tend to be against surrenders though, just as a consideration, is that even though its rare, I like the chased victories, and I also have had a number of times where you are guaranteed a loss on board position on Magic and stolen victory from a good topdeck (luck or not is debatable - there are many times where you did luckily draw the card, but it only worked as an out because you played yourself into a situation to ALLOW for that out) or even occasionally a player "punting the game" as they say, where they just make a blatant misplay suddenly that gives you back the game.

In MTGO, for example (and this doesn't translate over to LoL other than lucky aces), I've had opponents accidentally skip through an entire turn or combat phase the turn I was dead on the board. I then had just enough to push lethal through on the following turn, sometimes due to a draw, sometimes not. If they hadn't fucked up, I was dead. But they did. And no, if I'm in a tournament and we playing for prizes, we are both playing to win. There are no take backs and there is no "honorable concede because YOU actually won that game, sorry for the misclick". Some people are that "honorable" but I've lost many a game to misclicks and other issues, and using the interface or not missing a trigger in offline play (you have a "may" trigger during your upkeep, you immediately draw your card and start to play a spell, then suddenly you go "Oh, during my upkeep I meant to pay this cost to keep this guy alive" - sorry, you meant to, but you didn't. You drew and signaled that you have passed that step. If this is FNM, I'm a bit more lenient, but if I'm in a high end tourney, I'm not trying to help you win, and I expect the same approach to me. Another example is "Ok, I untap, I draw my card, oh, you are at one btw because I pinged you with my Pyromancer end step and now I ping you again, gg". "Except you didn't. You don't decide last turn's end step during your draw phase of the next turn. If you said before drawing 'ok, during end step I ping you, now my turn I untap and do it again' then its totally different.") is part of the process of winning or throwing a game. I will take what advantages I can get - this is how we tighten our play.