Nubbe Centre

[Jonathan Meer]

It's not a one-is-better-than-the-other thing. You can mathcraft the comparison all you want, but it will ultimately come down to preference. There are also divergent builds that work off of RoA + Archangel's and Manamune + Sheen.

Regardless, AA/Manamune should be the absolute last thing you're buying on Ryze's core anyway. The extra damage to towers is more valuable than the extra damage to champs by the time you're finishing either of those items.

Q > R > Q > W >Q > E > Q leaves you with about 4 seconds until your next Q > W > Q assuming you have ~30% CDR (Frozen Heart + masteries).

Frozen Heart + masteries + Overload CDR = 39% CDR

AA/MM is def the last thing to buy

I stopped building RoA because you made fun of me for it one game, and now I'm almost certain I need to get back into it.

Never would've thought Sheen on Ryze. Into Lich Bane?

I'm pretty damn positive AA is much more optimal than MM.