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[Kaden]

k, you didn't mean it, misread

I'm not trying to come off as antagonistic. But I am pretty sure I'm right (if only technically), and I am pretty sure you're wrong, and I'm only pressing it to see if there's something behind your stance that I'm missing, that hasn't been clarified.

That's the thing, though, there's nothing to be "right" or "wrong" about. Look how this conversation started.

There are a handful of champs that AA is good for.

I actually hate it on Ryze.

I can't be "wrong" about hating something. The only thing I've stated that I think I could just be wrong about is the following:

throwing 2~3 auto-attacks during the course of a fight, if you get Manamune instead of AA, you end up doing more damage.

Looking at just the math, you probably do get more damage out of an AA than a Manamune. If you look at what actually happens in a fight (RNG on his E, silence, casting his chain incorrectly, etc..) there are a lot of things that affect your damage "gain" if you get AA that don't affect just right-clicking someone.

Scrutinizing advice is fine. Mathcrafting advice is a trap. Most of the time it ends up meaning nothing. If someone says something about a build that you hadn't thought of, the absolute best thing you can do is go try it out for yourself. Play a game or two with it, get a feel for why the suggestion was made and what you did/n't get out of it and then come back and talk about it. My reason for buying Manamune really boils down to "I liked it more when I played Ryze with it." Do I have mathematical proof to support that? Apparently not that you agree with (which is fine, numbers only mean as much as you want them to). Does that mean I'm going to stop suggesting it? Nope.

Shifting gears.

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Ok.

So you mentioned earlier about going back to buying Rod of Ages on Ryze and I don't recommend it. Ryze's "thing" is getting damage from mana while still being able to do burst damage. The reason it's a "thing" is because this lets him itemize for defense (Banshee's/Frozen Heart) while still being a definite threat. When you start itemizing like you would any other caster (AA, RoA) then what's the point of being Ryze? Annie, Brand, Anivia, etc., etc. all have better raw burst than Ryze.

If you want to play Ryze as competitively as possible (and you've said before you play to win, so I assume this is the case) then building defensively is the best course of action. When the strongest burst-caster on a team can also off-tank... that's serious business. When you're strongest burst-caster is just as squishy as any other caster and has less damage than they would have... that's... bad.