02-21-2012, 01:36 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm sorry for making you change the RP stuff, even though that was sorta what I was going for. I remembered how annoyed you were the last time when we did that, so I played off it. I considered it a "victory" if I was executed instead of, well, any other townie. So I pushed buttons (the Mafia's, and the GM's as a means to an end).
You were totally right about everyone hating me, btw. If I didn't get LeBlanc and I wasn't Mafia, I would have died Night 1 regardless. I'm so sure of it. Just in case, I made even more of an incentive to get me killed. Even if there wasn't a WW in game, there had to be SOME kind of investigative role on the townie's side (which turned out to be a completely false assumption on my part, and I'll get to that later) so turning myself into the target was a good way to ensure that whoever that was would live. I know you might be thinking "But Doe, what if Mal was an investigative role?" My answer is thus: "So?" I consider this a victory for John Doe, regardless of the alignment who won. There was only one goal I had, and that was to get Mal killed. So I won! (In seriousness, though, I was playing to win for the town, regardless of how stupid I act or am)
As much as I planned to get myself killed, I was really upset that the fourth day resulted in a no lynch. That was exactly what the Mafia wanted and the Town played into their hands. From there, the Town basically just let themselves lose. Kaden played very well, as per usual, but even so I was biting my tongue til it bled as the days went by.
I do want to defend my choice on Kaden and Vad being mafia or not. My choices on these two I think were justified, even without the bullshit stuff I spouted about the RP flavor. Kaden, as I said before, was quite hesitant to lynch Keiko, as much as he denied it, and that he was willing to sacrifice Vad to let Keiko live a little longer (so that meant one of them had to be Mafia, and it couldn't be both). Vad was Vad, and I don't think I have to say much more than that to be suspicious of him.
In hindsight, I should have just been satisfied with being my typical annoying self instead of adding the GM RP bullshit to help me get executed. I did end up pressing the right buttons, but I totally could have gotten killed without resorting to such tactics. As well, as I thought about it, I knew Kaden would argue that the RPs were just flavor which would actually give him ground to stand on, but I was too lazy to change how I wrote my post. And THAT reminds me that I need to work on how I get my points across.
As to how you assigned the roles, I guess you did say that they were an experiment. When I read that part of your recap post, I cringed. It made me angry that roles could even be divvied that way. I won't say that it was skewed or any bullshit like that, but I do not think that you can throw any role onto any faction and call it a day. As I've said time and time again in previous games, the "Grandma with Shotgun" should NOT be a Mafia sided role, based on risk assessment and game balance. The reason being that it gives Mafia an unneeded advantage they already have. When GwS is on the town side, ANYONE can fall victim to her, be it Town or Mafia or Other. When it is aligned with the Mafia, only Town and Other can be affected. It is true that Mafia is supposed to have the upper hand by default, but when they hold all the cards, that's when it comes down to blind luck for any other faction to win. I know that the GwS role wasn't included in this game, but my point was that roles with abilities need to be planned in this type of game and can't randomly be plucked out of a hat.
Last note, what was the posting rules? Mal was time and Rose was nose, I got those. Were there any others?
I'm sorry for making you change the RP stuff, even though that was sorta what I was going for. I remembered how annoyed you were the last time when we did that, so I played off it. I considered it a "victory" if I was executed instead of, well, any other townie. So I pushed buttons (the Mafia's, and the GM's as a means to an end).
You were totally right about everyone hating me, btw. If I didn't get LeBlanc and I wasn't Mafia, I would have died Night 1 regardless. I'm so sure of it. Just in case, I made even more of an incentive to get me killed. Even if there wasn't a WW in game, there had to be SOME kind of investigative role on the townie's side (which turned out to be a completely false assumption on my part, and I'll get to that later) so turning myself into the target was a good way to ensure that whoever that was would live. I know you might be thinking "But Doe, what if Mal was an investigative role?" My answer is thus: "So?" I consider this a victory for John Doe, regardless of the alignment who won. There was only one goal I had, and that was to get Mal killed. So I won! (In seriousness, though, I was playing to win for the town, regardless of how stupid I act or am)
As much as I planned to get myself killed, I was really upset that the fourth day resulted in a no lynch. That was exactly what the Mafia wanted and the Town played into their hands. From there, the Town basically just let themselves lose. Kaden played very well, as per usual, but even so I was biting my tongue til it bled as the days went by.
I do want to defend my choice on Kaden and Vad being mafia or not. My choices on these two I think were justified, even without the bullshit stuff I spouted about the RP flavor. Kaden, as I said before, was quite hesitant to lynch Keiko, as much as he denied it, and that he was willing to sacrifice Vad to let Keiko live a little longer (so that meant one of them had to be Mafia, and it couldn't be both). Vad was Vad, and I don't think I have to say much more than that to be suspicious of him.
In hindsight, I should have just been satisfied with being my typical annoying self instead of adding the GM RP bullshit to help me get executed. I did end up pressing the right buttons, but I totally could have gotten killed without resorting to such tactics. As well, as I thought about it, I knew Kaden would argue that the RPs were just flavor which would actually give him ground to stand on, but I was too lazy to change how I wrote my post. And THAT reminds me that I need to work on how I get my points across.
As to how you assigned the roles, I guess you did say that they were an experiment. When I read that part of your recap post, I cringed. It made me angry that roles could even be divvied that way. I won't say that it was skewed or any bullshit like that, but I do not think that you can throw any role onto any faction and call it a day. As I've said time and time again in previous games, the "Grandma with Shotgun" should NOT be a Mafia sided role, based on risk assessment and game balance. The reason being that it gives Mafia an unneeded advantage they already have. When GwS is on the town side, ANYONE can fall victim to her, be it Town or Mafia or Other. When it is aligned with the Mafia, only Town and Other can be affected. It is true that Mafia is supposed to have the upper hand by default, but when they hold all the cards, that's when it comes down to blind luck for any other faction to win. I know that the GwS role wasn't included in this game, but my point was that roles with abilities need to be planned in this type of game and can't randomly be plucked out of a hat.
Last note, what was the posting rules? Mal was time and Rose was nose, I got those. Were there any others?
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