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[Hellfighter 17]

Originally posted by Krillin

Originally posted by Android-18
Now no one shoot me but...

I believe that it is not really killing something...I mean yeah, it's sperm and egg, begining to grow, but they usually abort it at 3 months. Do you remember anything when you were 3 months from conception? I don't even think it has fingers and toes. I think that unless it LOOKs and can THINK, it isn't horrible.

So, if it doesn't look like a person, it's sub-human? What's the basis for that? At what point would a baby look enough like a person for it to matter?

Regarding the thought idea, it's baloney. At conception, the cells are reproducing themselves so as to create a brain for this child. If left unchecked, it would create this brain. If it would reach this conclusion, and you destroy it before it can reach that conclusion, it's just as bad as destroying the brain itself.

By that basis we might as well allow tapeworms and other parasites to feed off of us and hinder are lives since they are alive in accordance with the cell theory and so forth. Also, it is normally accepted that within the first trimester it is not considered 'alive,' but I believe it is still a crime for somebody else to intentionally cause the death of the fetus.

My mom believes in fate, and if that baby is meant to be yours, the soul will go back and return when you are ready. (don't laugh or flame this)

How can we know? What's the basis for that line of thought? Where's the evidence supporting that? What facts have you seen to support that? I assume there are none, unless you're gifted by some sort of scientific overflow of knowledge. For that reason, that line of ideas is simply speculation. We can't apply it at all to reality without anything to support it.

I find this highly ironic with you appearing to be a devout (sp?) Christian, which is based on faith rather than science. In any case, I can appreciate arguing something, but it has appeared pointless to me to disputee blief with 'facts' (quotation marks seeing how we don't really 'know' anything, we just have approximation, with some accordance for minor things such as velocity and other such small things).

I think you are both strong in doing what you think is right.

I agree. Murdering defenseless babies who literally have nowhere to run is heroic and laudable.

Nice job on switching from the facts and so force. I know that it is a 'baby,' though fetus should be used, but that appears to be twisting morals instead, and your morals may not be the same as somebody else's. I know this is a debate, but in that case you should really point out why your morals supersede those of others.

I know that if I got preganant I'd likely do the same. I couldn't as easily give it up for adoption, anyone who is a mother here will know the bond you'll have with your baby.

Then don't have sex. If you aren't willing to deal with the consequences, don't do the deed. It isn't the baby's fault you were irreponsible. Don't blame it by killing it.

I have always been an advocate of taking responsible for one's actions, but there is more to abortion than simply that.

I know I'd go looking for him/her and it would be painful. I'd rather let it go before it can think and grow and end up being something I will love more than anything, and before he/she can hate me if they found out what I did, by giving them away.

I'd rather have been allowed to live in someone else's care than killed by my own mother.

'Kay. For all you know that child could have had a very terrible life, such as going from foster home to foster home all the time, living on the streats after some time in the system, being abused, et cetera.

I'm for anything, really, and I just don't think what you're doing is wrong. Don't let anyone call you a murderer. Be there for your girl, let her know you understand how she feels, and comfort her. She WILL have children, and perhaps my mom is right, maybe the soul of this unborn child will return. Who knows?

How isn't it murder?

mur?der Pronunciation (m?rdr)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

fe?tus Pronunciation (fts)
n. pl. fe?tus?es
1. The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal.
2. In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/

I will say, though, definitions can get quite tricky.

Man this really should be on the Kame House.

I pray it won't be. I'm too passionate on this subject to wait a year for discussion.

I concur.Although it would be two and one half for me. =(

Originally posted by Jeice

Also, the law does not consider it actual murder unless the child is out of the womb and cries/takes it's first independent breath.

The law is not an infallible source of truth and knowledge. Incestuous marriages are legal in the state of Alabama. In North Carolina, it is illegal to sing off-key. In Tennessee, you are not legally entitled to use a lasso to catch a fish. You may not grow thistles in a Maryland garden. Getting the idea?

I pointed out a law earlier, and I agree the law cannot always be used.

On a final note, I must say that I'm entirely pissed off at Tap right now. This is obviously a sensitive issue, yet you're making crass, ignorant statements. It isn't funny. It isn't proper. Grow up.

I completely agree.