The epic Freiza vs Goku debate

[Drake]

Originally posted by Mighty Dabura
To say that SSJ give's x40 is disingenuous. The only reason he could even reach that level was because of the benifits of Kaiouken. So, it's more like SSJ increased his power by x2.5 in addition to Kaiouken x20. Didn't we have this talk before? :O

Lawlz because you believe that.

Your theory would make Goku the weakest Character in DB, since he's the only one accredited as having and using the Kaioken technique. The reason Kaioken wasn't mentioned during the Furiza fight was to hype up Furiza's strength, because most fans believed that up until that point he'd been holding back against the tyrant only to find out he'd been fighting his all.

It's not so Akira could write it out and never mention it again- ever.

Also, assuming your theory is correct, Goku would have quickly fallen behind every other fighter in the series since KK was never able to go past 20; as evidenced by that fact that he only used twenty against and exhibited no adverse effects like he did when using 4 against Vegeta. Meaning if it could go past 20, he would have used it since there wasn't any visable danger to his body yet.

Not to mention, if it was such a useful technique, why not teach it to other members of the Z-Fighter group since KKx20 Gohan SSJ2 would have pwned the shits out Cell.

Originally posted by Akane Kimidori
I'd love to read you Manga then. Considering I'v read bits myself and it seemed Goku was able to defend himself against everything Frieza threw at him. =/

Furiza beat Goku bloody with his feet, holding back his hands until Goku angered him and even after Goku threw everything he had at Furiza, he ended up barely able to stand. Trust me, Goku couldn't beat Furiza.