The epic Freiza vs Goku debate

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Originally posted by Kakarot

Originally posted by Mighty Dabura
To say that SSJ give's x40 is disingenuous. The only reason he could even reach that level was because of the benifits of Kaiouken. So, it's more like SSJ increased his power by x2.5 in addition to Kaiouken x20. Didn't we have this talk before? :O

Lawlz because you believe that.

Your theory would make Goku the weakest Character in DB, since he's the only one accredited as having and using the Kaioken technique. The reason Kaioken wasn't mentioned during the Furiza fight was to hype up Furiza's strength, because most fans believed that up until that point he'd been holding back against the tyrant only to find out he'd been fighting his all.

Go to hell, bitch.

The Kaioken is essentially Goku's own power, since he's the only one in the entire manga that can use it. It's just a plot device that enables him to fight with the new villians who would be far, far beyond him otherwise.

It's not so Akira could write it out and never mention it again- ever.

Also, assuming your theory is correct, Goku would have quickly fallen behind every other fighter in the series since KK was never able to go past 20; as evidenced by that fact that he only used twenty against and exhibited no adverse effects like he did when using 4 against Vegeta. Meaning if it could go past 20, he would have used it since there wasn't any visable danger to his body yet.

During the first chapters with his battle against Freiza Goku was using Kaioken x10 (Freiza says he can tell that Goku is holding back, which is true because Goku's only using half his power). Kaioken x20 was his limit, just like Kaioken x4 was the limit on earth. He made one Kamehameha attack with it, failed, and broke out the Spirit Bomb because he was too drained to do otherwise. (the pictures I posted earlier in the thread shows this).

Not to mention, if it was such a useful technique, why not teach it to other members of the Z-Fighter group since KKx20 Gohan SSJ2 would have pwned the shits out Cell.

Nobody else learns it because they don't need it. It's a plot device, just like every source of power. Vegeta is already an elite (natural strength), Gohan has massive potential (hidden strength), Goku has Kaioken (hard work). You'll see in the manga that Goku teaches Gohan his thematic principle of hard work to bring out his son's hidden strength in the RoSaT.