Goku vs Superman

[Nori]

"People always call in fusion, or SSJ4 Goku at his strongest, so why not use Superman at his strongest? Superman Prime has been living in the SUN for 15,000 years, and he has the Green Lantern ring, the Universe's Most Powerful weapon. By that time, Supes is no longer hurt by Kryptonite, he has absorbed so much solar energy that he cannot be hurt by anything other than a psychic attack (psychic attacks only give him headaches), and the Green Lantern ring is limited only by willpower in what it can do. "


Personally, that's why I don't read the comics. That's by far one of the lamest things, ever. XD. But, my counter to this.. uh..

The Green Latern Ring has been beaten before, and really, it's useless against Goku. Goku can move faster then light in the Saiyan Saga, and since the green laterns ring is made of energy, it'd be simple for the Saiyan to dodge without even going SSJ. As for the upsurge in power, that's quite hard to get around.

However. You simply, I don't believe, have anyone that can compete with Goku's raw SSJ 4 strength in DBZ. I mean, in the DBZ Movie with Broly, they were creating *massive* crators with their fists, like, viewable from space. That was Super Saiyan Goku, presumably, before Cell came about. SSJ 4 Goku blows that out of the water.

The Characters he fought against couldn't fight him physically. However, the people of the Dragonball universe are in a completely different league.


"Goku can blow up a planet? Superman once juggled planets. "

This is the one I like, the most. XD. In truth, we don't know exactly what Goku could do with a planet. Because he well.. wouldn't do any damage to it, unless it couldn't be averted. However. Master Roshi is able to destroy a planet, with a power in the hundreds. SSJ 4 Goku is well into the billions. I mean, let's just use a Dragonball Z reference.

Kid Buu destroys Earth with no effort. He just raises his hand, summons a ball of energy, and throws it down. It causes no strain on his body, no effort, no.. well.. anything. SSJ 3 goku is stronger then Kid Buu. He just lacks the endurance of the Majin.

So. SSJ 4 Goku is far stronger then SSJ 3 Kid Buu, of course. That's apparent by the fact that Goku could barely fight Bebi in that form, and with SSJ 4, he was winning (for a awhile, until Bebi transformed). So, if Kid Buu, who at this time was far weaker (Uub, the reincarnation of Kid Buu being defeated by Bebi with no effort, at all), was able to destroy planets with flicks of his finger, couldn't Goku, if he actually wanted, to the same thing? If not better.



"Goku has instant transmission? The Flash can run over 8 times the speed of light, and Superman barely lost to him in a footrace. That means that Superman can move at around 7.7 times the speed of light. Goku's instant transmission is only 99% speed of light."


See, this is partially where I'll agree with the inconsistities (Sp?). Raditz in the Saiyan Saga, could move faster then light. That's how you dodge energy beams and waves, because, according to Piccolo, they move as fast as the speed of light. Now, Goku was *far* faster then Raditz in the Frieza Saga, as apparent by the fact that people who could see Vegeta's movements in the Saiyan, and early Frieza Saga (Vegeta, as we know, is far faster and stronger then Raditz, even in the Saiyan Saga), couldn't even see Goku move. Even Vegeta couldn't see him move. Yet, Goku was moving so fast he didn't even appear to move, a attribute that the Flash himself has used.

Goku is faster the the speed of light, without Super Saiyan. When in Super Saiyan, his speed picks up.

All the forms are *much* faster, then the last. As apparent in all the fights.


"Superman once nearly outflew the barrier of creation. "


So? Goku is capable of harnissing the energy of the entire universe, and if he desires, absorb it into himself. Which, increases his power even *more* dramatically. Indeed, with a ball of energy just from the people of earth, he was able to defeat a Android who was far stronger then his Super Saiyan self, with one punch.



"He is so fast, and his senses are so sharp, that while talking to Lois Lane, he heard aliens in another galaxy needing help, went there, helped them, and came back, and Lois didnt even notice he had left."


A major inconsistincy in the Superman universe. If you say, flew to another galaxy, and helped them, they wouldn't even notice/no you did it/anything, before you'd have to return. Yeah.. that's hard to understand.


"His voice alone can shatter mountains."


Goku powering up to Super Saiyan 3 threatened to blow up the world. Buildings across the planets shattered, and so on.


"His heat vision can repel Darkseid's Omega Effect, which can destroy planets."

Uh....Yeah..


"Superman closed a black hole with his bare hands."


Yeah.. see.. now your losing me. The problem is, Dragonball Z hasn't been around 60 years to exploit fanboyism. =/


"In February 1954, Superman withstands the explosion of a hydrogen bomb, (Superman #87)"


Goku survives, no, repels, energy bombs capable of destroying entire planets, not regions of planets.



"By 1957, Superman is able to hurl an uninhabited Planet through space (Superman #110) Both Pre-Crisis Superman and Superboy have been known to move planets without external assistance. For reference, consider the earth an average sized planet. The earth weighs in at 5.972 sextillion (5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000) metric tons. "


Goku is able to push back a planet with his Kamemehameha move, in the Lord Slug movie. That is, until it explodes. But uh.. Goku's weak at that time, nowehere near his full power. >_>.