Today...

[Pink Underoo]

Did you just refer to Iraq as a success? You have got to be out of your fuckin' mind. What have we accomplished? Al Quaeda wasn't present in Iraq, not actively atleast, before we came. Sectarian violence didn't exist, atleast not in the massive amounts in which it exists now, before we invaded. They don't have WMD's now, just as they didn't before we went in. We accomplished a handful, Killing Suddam (and although he was a nut job genocidal mothafucka, sectarian violence and terrorism were two things that didnt exist under his regime), We opened the door for sectarian violence and large scale terrorism build-up, set into place another USELESS puppet government - just as reagan liked to do in the eighties- and wasted thousands of American lives.

True violence is down in Iraq recently, and the fact that we consider that a success is pitiful. we're five years into this war, violence should be nonexistent. The only reason why some people see this as a success if because the bar is so fucking low for success that it's touching the floor.

We've removed Saddam - that in itself is a great accomplishment which is something that very few people who are aware of his history will naysay. The only reason there wasn't open sectarian violence during Saddam's rule was because he had the nation in an iron grip: really,Saddam "won" 100% of the vote in 2002 and then was sentenced to death by hanging four years later. Although we found no WMD's in 2003, Saddam's regime has attempted to create nuclear weapons and cover it up when inspectors have gone in before. When UN inspectors were sent to Iraq to see what he was doing before the invasion, Saddam was doing the same old song and dance of stalling the inspectors and running them around in circles, so we gave him an ultimatum: be inspected or be invaded. When he refused that, it was his call and not ours. It's not in our interests to play games with minor dictators that have delusions of grandeur. Now after only a few years we've made marked accomplishments in cleaning up the mess that Saddam was making over the past few decades which was preceded by centuries of conflict. Maybe you should read up on it.

AQ itself is a fractured group; while there may not have been significant AQ activity in Iraq before the invasion, there were and are splinter groups all over the middle east, which includes Iraq, and beyond. By fighting them there we're going to accomplish several major objectives: changing Iraq from a destabilizing force in the region into a functional democracy, showing the rest of them over there that we are going to finish what we start which will turn into a major negotiating tool in the years to come, and by defeating the terrorist movement AQ we'll demoralize them and take a giant step towards wiping them away altogether.

Don't forget! The US armed Osama himself with assloads of money and weapons, and placed Saddam in power. Amusing how the government outright ignores any questions concerning those little events.

EDIT: Thousands, Mino? I doubt that. Your losses can't be that bad. ...Can they?

I know in Afghanistan, at least the Canadians, we've only lost a few hundred. Tops. (Which still sucks but it's war. What did you fucking expect?)

Which is why it's so important that we finish what we started, because if we don't then we know exactly where Iraq is going to end up. D: