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Iran couldn't do much more than Iraq: it's airforce, artillery, ground forces and weapons technology are vastly inferior to everything that the US has. If we moved into Iran it would happen pretty much the same way as Iraq: we use bombs and missiles to blow the crap out of them, then our forces move in to sweep up what's left. And while some UN inspectors did get to inspect some facilities in Iraq, they were only allowed to do it when and where Saddam gave permission: is it any wonder that they found nothing? It's because Saddam was refusing to permit inspections in other locations that we threatened to invade Iraq. Or do you seriously think that we invaded Iraq for no reason other than what you've posted here?

This conflict isn't just about revenge for 9/11. The militaristic madmen that rule in the middle east and use the oil revenue to fund their oppressive regimes is what generates the desperate wackos that will fly planes full of civilians into buildings full of more civilians. Like Bra already said, we actually helped put Saddam into power so his regime was partly our fault: to an extent, we're simply taking responsibility for what we've done there. In a larger sense, we're doing it because it simply needs to be done and nobody else is going to do it. Total success isn't going to happen tomorrow: reform takes time. You might be crying that some things are bad in Iraq now, but at least now they can fight for their own freedom, and for their children, and they're not forever subject to one bloodthirsty man's mad ambition. Progress is being made, just a few months ago the "USELESS" Iraqi government and Sadr's Mahdi Army were making progress in unifying the nation. If we leave, that kind of progress would stop and things would regress into the type of situation that would produce another Saddam-style dictator.

We should have toppled Saddam's regime when he invaded Kuwait, because after we kicked his balls in the Iraqi people tried to overthrow him while expecting that the US would help, but we did nothing while Saddam slaughtered many people that otherwise would be helping us right now: and they have not forgotten it. It's the primary reason why so many in Iraq have been so slow to join any US-lead reformation, because if we suddenly leave then they're going to have to fend for themselves against enemies on all sides that all hate the USA. The other nations in the region are also intently watching what we're doing there, and our future relationships with them will depend on how we resolve our involvement in Iraq.

Besides all that, you're harping on the invasion which is over and has been for years. Wars are more than just an invasion: we've been in the reconstruction phase for years now.

First of all i am not harping on the invasion. because obviously, we invaded. i'm saying the war that we are fighting right now in Iraq, the attempt to reconstruct that country through training the Iraqi security forces and suppressing the insurgency is a complete and utter failure. The main point of my last post was that every single person alive knew they didn't have WMD's, and our government used it as an excuse to invade Iraq to pressure Iran. If you were paying attention, Iran's military might being more impressive and organized than Iraq (which is simply a fact) was only a fraction to my reasoning on why we went into Iraq to pressure Iran rather than just invading Iran. (btw, funding for special operations in Iran has increased heftily recently- im dissapointed my ISP is acting up, i assure you when i leave my step fathers house i will provide the links, - which is also known as "laying the battlefield" which only further justifies my point that Iraq was only a stepping stone towards Iran.) My main reason was that the american public were more likely to accept a war with Iraq than Iran, due to the public image of Suddam being a dominant force in the last two decades of American history.

The Iraqi security force is a joke, and while it is developing it is going way to slow and taking way to long. That is a failure in it of itself. The situation in Iraq wouldn't of had to be resolved if we hadn't of fucked it to shit in the first place. You can not deny that how we handled this has been a complete and utter failure, and the only reason why people are saying we are making progress is that we've gone from like a 0 rating to like a 1.2 rating. Yay for progress, it's still a fucking failure, it still isn't enough. Going from a complete failure a failure that is getting slightly less of a failure may be slight progress, but its still a failure and a clusterfuck and the chances of saving it are getting slimmer and slimmer by the day. You cannot, CANNOT, continue a foreign operation without public support, without international support, without support across party lines (even a little). This war is draining the life out of America, it's people, it's politics, and ultimately it's economy.

My grade in Math went from a 7% to a 9% and has been hovering around 9% for three years with slight increases and decreases. Hooray for progress, i'm still a failure!!