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First of all i am not harping on the invasion. because obviously, we invaded. i'm saying the war that we are fighting right now in Iraq, the attempt to reconstruct that country through training the Iraqi security forces and suppressing the insurgency is a complete and utter failure. The main point of my last post was that every single person alive knew they didn't have WMD's, and our government used it as an excuse to invade Iraq to pressure Iran. If you were paying attention, Iran's military might being more impressive and organized than Iraq (which is simply a fact) was only a fraction to my reasoning on why we went into Iraq to pressure Iran rather than just invading Iran. (btw, funding for special operations in Iran has increased heftily recently- im dissapointed my ISP is acting up, i assure you when i leave my step fathers house i will provide the links, - which is also known as "laying the battlefield" which only further justifies my point that Iraq was only a stepping stone towards Iran.) My main reason was that the american public were more likely to accept a war with Iraq than Iran, due to the public image of Suddam being a dominant force in the last two decades of American history.

The Iraqi security force is a joke, and while it is developing it is going way to slow and taking way to long. That is a failure in it of itself. The situation in Iraq wouldn't of had to be resolved if we hadn't of fucked it to shit in the first place. You can not deny that how we handled this has been a complete and utter failure, and the only reason why people are saying we are making progress is that we've gone from like a 0 rating to like a 1.2 rating. Yay for progress, it's still a fucking failure, it still isn't enough. Going from a complete failure a failure that is getting slightly less of a failure may be slight progress, but its still a failure and a clusterfuck and the chances of saving it are getting slimmer and slimmer by the day. You cannot, CANNOT, continue a foreign operation without public support, without international support, without support across party lines (even a little). This war is draining the life out of America, it's people, it's politics, and ultimately it's economy.

My grade in Math went from a 7% to a 9% and has been hovering around 9% for three years with slight increases and decreases. Hooray for progress, i'm still a failure!!

Iran's relationship with the US has been worse than Iraq and Iran is a much bigger factor in funding and supporting Islamic radicalism across the region, and those are common facts, so if there's any truth in the claim that the public perceives Saddam's regime as being worse than the Iranian regime then it's due to willful ignorance. I also take umbrage with the idea that "everybody" knew that there were no WMD's in Iraq: when the Congress gave Bush the clearance to take action, there was no great outcry against it.

I will agree that the ISF is poor, but that's the way it goes. The Bush administration is to blame for being misleading about the development of military and policing forces that's caused unrealistic expectations. However, with the successes obtained from the surge public opinion over Iraq is beginning to turn: while most Americans think like you do, still the vast majority would still vote for someone even if their policy on Iraq differed from their own. As for the cost of the Iraq war, it's affecting the lives of about 1% of the population who are all volunteers, and annual funding for both wars in Afghanistan and Iraq is about 5% of total spending at the federal level. What's actually causing the US' woes are insufficient energy production and epic entitlement spending.

You can pretend the States went to Iraq to play the 'good guy' all you want.

They went there to save the people from Saddam.

Right.

Then explain to me why the United States has an amicable relationship with Jordan? Look up that country. Saddam is a fucking saint in comparison.

Don't think that's the only example. The United States habitually befriends murdererous bastards in order to further their own ends. There are no 'good' guys anymore. Every country is guilty. Trying to pretend you're saving the world hurts credibility.

Historically, Jordan is par for the course. What we're doing in Iraq is part of a larger campaign, and is actually one of the best actions the US has ever done. Either your view of history is too romanticized or your view of modern events is too narrow - a few pages ago I think I was talking about how most people lack the ability to comprehend current events because they lack the foresight to see the end and its after-effects from the safety of a future era which would help put the event into an objective context.