What! Obama's not a US Citizen?!

[Rem-13]

Dont you know his parents tricked the newspapers into printing the news of his birth? This was necessary if he was to be trained in kenyan terrorist camps at a young age and still be eligible for the presidency. You have a man in office that has been groomed for the office since his birth by the Muslims, wake up sheeple.

[Jonathan Meer]

And, if you check the sites Laura put up, you'll see that there was a notice of his birth in a Honolulu newspaper a few days after he was born.

A man who could forge all this deserves to be President.

[Pinky]

Of course, Techdude, I have heard of him and verified his credentials. Clearly he is a true criminal investigator who by taking a jpeg off the internet is able to verify a COLB.

Yes of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtvJ_nM47GM

at about 2:40 into the video, there is a comparison between a valid certificate and the one that the obama campaign put up on their website as proof. ad hominems don't refute this point :/

The State Director of Health speaks for the State of Hawaii since she oversees that documentation and has gone on record as stating she has seen Barack Obama's proof of birth in the State of Hawaii.

COLB's only display information from the long form, and while it's possible for foreign born children to American parents to get an Hawaiian COLB- it's not possible to get one stating you were born in Honolulu unless there is a record of that birth.

actually, one of obama's half sisters, who was born in indonesia, has a hawaiian COLB. hawaii used to give them out fairly easily back in the late 50's/early 60's, apparently. http://www.examiner.com/x-14143-Orange-C...Live-Birth

but whatever, that's not the only thing. another issue is the hospital where he was born. here's a UPI image of where obama claimed to have been born in queens medical center, a claim that was backed up by his own sister some years ago which nobody questioned at the time. it was only after obama changed his birthplace, writing a letter to kopiolani on white house stationary, and claimed to have been born in kopiolani that websites changed their information to sync with the new narrative. i suppose he only found out the location of his birth in the last few months then?

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/UPIFirstSaid.bmp
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/UPIThenSaid.bmp

so, we have a dubious COLB to go together with a questionable place of birth that this wonderful, wise health director has not seemed to question at all. neato

Yeah, of course. That's why he let three independent groups to actually touch his COLB and it's still widely circulated and even news stations such as CNN are putting it up without any problems.

yeah, it's still floating around, but that wasn't my contention.

Because there is no man behind the curtain.

Unless Obama managed to forge a COLB, bribed the Director of Health in Hawaii, change documentation on micro fiche that announces his birth in two separate newspapers in Honolulu before even becoming president.

He's quite the amazing man.

tl;dr

Rod is still stupid.

its a very poor forgery, since it has no watermark
http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

on top of that, the hundreds of thousands of dollars obama has spent on legal fees to keep his actual birth certificate undisclosed while the campaign was still going on, which would have put all questions to rest.

don't look behind the curtain. why? BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE

[Kazuya]

rabid republicans sure are feisty little buggers.

[Jonathan Meer]

I think he's serious, guys.

I think it might be time for a shun.

[Pinky]

i'm not a republican, but you guys are getting so lost on this that it'd probably be a waste of time to explain that, too.

[Josh]

I think he's serious, guys.

I think it might be time for a shun.

Shun the non-believer!

Shuun

Shuuun

Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnna.

[Rem-13]

Listen Rod, nothing you posted is at all definitive. The burden of proof on something like this is heavily on your sides' shoulder, and all you have is random third parties screaming shoop and coincidential evidence against period newspapers, and those who have held and examined the damn certification.

[Kaden]

I <3 this thread.

[Josh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtvJ_nM47GM

at about 2:40 into the video, there is a comparison between a valid certificate and the one that the obama campaign put up on their website as proof. ad hominems don't refute this point :/

Yeah because that's evidence.

You can't verify the authenticity of a Certificate based on an image of it posted on a website. You have to have the article in your hand, three independent groups studied and examined the document stating that it was official.

Not only that but the Director of Health in the State of Hawaii went on record as stating that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Some dude on Youtube claiming to be able to tell the difference between a real and a fake without proving his credentials is silly.

actually, one of obama's half sisters, who was born in indonesia, has a hawaiian COLB. hawaii used to give them out fairly easily back in the late 50's/early 60's, apparently. http://www.examiner.com/x-14143-Orange-C...Live-Birth

That article was written by the Examiner, seriously.

Not only that but it's cite's no sources or provides and proof or image of his sister's Birth Certificate. Like I said they started allowing children of American parents to get a Hawaiian COLB 20 years after Obama was born, but that it would still indicate the original place of birth.

In this case her Certificate would state she was born in Indonesia.

It's convenient that the article doesn't mention where her Birth Certificate states she was born, nor does it show it, or even cite the source of this information.

It's like me saying "Rod's actually a female apparently, did you know that?"

but whatever, that's not the only thing. another issue is the hospital where he was born. here's a UPI image of where obama claimed to have been born in queens medical center, a claim that was backed up by his own sister some years ago which nobody questioned at the time. it was only after obama changed his birthplace, writing a letter to kopiolani on white house stationary, and claimed to have been born in kopiolani that websites changed their information to sync with the new narrative. i suppose he only found out the location of his birth in the last few months then?

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/UPIFirstSaid.bmp
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/UPIThenSaid.bmp

That letter is ridiculous. That's clearly not real, since when does white house stationary of the president not bear the presidential seal, not to mention that the typeface in that letter is clearly put in there by photoshop or some other editing program because it's using freaking truetype to make it look sharper.

Not only that but the two images you show are essentially the same news article from the same site except edited. That's not proof that he said anything, the person writing the article could have easily put down the wrong hospital and then put the correct hospital in after it was pointed out he'd placed the wrong one down.

I'm starting to think you aren't really serious about this and just playing the devil's advocate.

so, we have a dubious COLB to go together with a questionable place of birth that this wonderful, wise health director has not seemed to question at all. neato

It's not dubious, it's been verified as real and even held up in court. Not only that but a state official from Hawaii(Director of State Health) stated that it was real and he was born in Hawaii.

don't look behind the curtain. why? BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE

See, now you get it.


tl;dr

Rod is either stupid or just playing around.

[Super Buu]

Playing around? This is textbook Rod.

[Belle Hibiki]

If Obama wasn't an American, we would know about it by now. There are far, far too many people that stand to lose by him being in office to have something so obvious just slip by.

Shit, people were making a big deal about Ayers.

[Tyr]

I <3 this thread.

This.

And now I finally understand how he could be elected, his mother was caucasian. He clearly had the best from both words as his father was african and his mother was caucasian.

That tricky prez.

[Pinky]

Listen Rod, nothing you posted is at all definitive. The burden of proof on something like this is heavily on your sides' shoulder, and all you have is random third parties screaming shoop and coincidential evidence against period newspapers, and those who have held and examined the damn certification.

i like how everyone thinks that i actually believe he's from somewhere else. just like how i'm a republican, rite? gotta put everything in a box, it's more convenient that way. i don't believe he's foreign born because i haven't seen actual proof that he's foreign born, and at the same time what's been shown is not sufficient as proof of his birth either. is there a list of plausible excuses? sure, but in the end all that's been authenticated is a short copy, and with a state that was so pro-obama during the election is doesn't take a genius to imagine a forgery would be readily produced. don't forget that before the birther thing even became an issue, obama, clinton, and mccain's "secure" information was tampered with and the tampering suspect surfaced a few months later with a in the head. my favorite part is how nobody has even bothered to try and excuse how obama hired a small army of lawyers to keep his full birth certificate secret when showing it would actually put all doubts down. new era of transparency, indeed :/

[Jonathan Meer]

I don't have sufficient proof that you're worth listening to.

[Rem-13]

i like how everyone thinks that i actually believe he's from somewhere else.

So you are putting this much effort into arguing the point of something you aren't sure you believe in? I'm not sure what that makes you.

Do you assume everyone walking around on the street is foreign born because you haven't licked their birth certificate for the taste of american soil? Again the burden of proof is not on those saying he is eligible. You might as well entertain every ridiculous notion, and there just is not enough time in the day.

[Pinky]

as a matter of principle, we should know as much as possible about anyone who seeks offices of power over us. if you're fine eating plausibility right off the spoon, more power to you i guess. but, we're talking about presidential candidates, not random people off the street, so comparing this to random people off the street is stupid. the average person off the street is going to have the power of a nation-spanning political body behind them and neither will they be able to turn your life upside down with the force of law.

as for me, the way they're going about this is as if they have something to hide and i don't much care for that. the last thing i want is for these kinds of power hungry central planners to get comfortable making mad grabs for power while they're deflecting inquiries to the validity of their office occupation with unconvincing copies of records. i'll say again, since everyone seems to have brain spasms when i say certain things, that every presidential candidate offers up their private records when asked as a measure of trust and transparency to the public. the fact that obama has not only hired a team of lawyers to keep his actual birth certificate undisclosed, but also his education records and medical records is disconcerting to people who aren't under the impression that our government is currently staffed by sinless angels.

[Pinky]

god dammit

[Rem-13]

god dammit

Truer words, my friend.

[Ashe]

Politics and Religion: Hand in hand till the end of time.

What I mean is (jokingly) we seem to be having the "absence of proof/proof of absence" type argument in place again for something entirely different. Such is the way with things people feel passionate about.