Is it just an Alliance thing?

[Kazuya]

Why does alliance suck so much ass in Arathi basin? I've played as both alliance and horde, and alliance usually loses, alot. Are they all just mindless kids? Why can't anyone friggin do shit right on it?


Feel free to vent what pisses you off in WoW.

[Vad]

Arathi Basin usually ends up with one side taking all but one objective and that last 'objective' being a power struggle. Also depends on whether or not the team your playing against is randomly chosen or a pre assembled Raid group meant for total chaos in the battlegrounds.

I remember forming a raid for Warsong Gulch and just destroying everything in sight.

What pisses me off in WoW?

The tight nit community's of NPC's they make around elites. Yeah let's solo this elite. NO I FORGOT HIS SISTER ACROSS THE WAY. Bam, I pull four more than I can handle and I die.

I hate how alliance on our server is fucking stupid. Yeah, camp me at the Darkmoon Faire. Your real cool.

Makes me wish having a 'max' level so I could just rape anything that moves in stranglethorn. >.< DIE ALLIANCE DIE

My rant. XD

[Ashe]

I always laugh at people that believe that their own faction doesn't do the same exact things like 6 man camp a single lowbie.

It happens on both sides.

What you are finding Laura is that it depends on the factionwide intellegence per battlegroup. Arygos (and AoS) are on the Nightfall bg group, which is a horde dominated group of servers (the populations favor horde, and all alliance that want to win transfer out, which creates a larger loss, etc). Its actually fairly 50-50 in some bgs, but absolute shit in others.

On Drak'tharon, for my horde, I'm finding the similar situation. The horde there never win ANYTHING, they enter and go "fux u noobs, I just want my mark, u all suck" and run around in circles. "Lose faster plz". We've won WSG, it seems, but the only times I actually see it are when I decide to burn dash to get past the 15k health fury warrior staying in beserker stance and insisting on being the flag runner, so that I can get it, and shift out of snares and actually cap it since he usually dies in the tunnel every time.

They lose everything, including WG, and then what's the first thing you see in the chat? "Fux! Fucking Blizzard, letting alliance kids cheat so that they can win! they make every map for alliance and in wg let alliance cheat and horde can't cheat wtf alliance can drive through walls its lame fux blizzard loving alliance! 12 year olds!"

Then I go get on my alliance character, do some WG, and the first thing I see "God, why does blizzard let horde drive straight through walls and not us? its so lame how they favor their loved horde."

[Orion]

On my server, Barthilas, PVP is shit. Well, it used to be anyway. We'd lose way more than we'd win, and getting PVP gear was such a fucking grind.

I get sick of arseholes on WoW. Especially when I was doing a raid, a staff came up that I wanted, I got the highest roll, and the faggot of a master looter just gave it to his friend. I get really sick of bullshit like that.

[Jack]

I would get a lot of fags 6 levels below the maximum trying to compete in PvP. They were pretty much useless, and I doubt they were having fun, I didn't get it. Level 49 Battlegrounds, you have some fucking level 43 Priest, wtf?

I usually beasted, personally, and especially for a Paladin. If I had a comp that wouldn't lag with so much action on screen, and if I wasn't playing with a laptop mouse, I probably would have been pretty good at it.

[Vad]

I always laugh at people that believe that their own faction doesn't do the same exact things like 6 man camp a single lowbie.

It happens on both sides.

Oh so do I. It's always great to laugh some more. And camping Duskwood is all the more fun when you piss people off. XD

[Ashe]

Oh so do I. It's always great to laugh some more. And camping Duskwood is all the more fun when you piss people off. XD

Back when I started, I hit level 20, went to Duskwood, and spent the next GOD DAMN WEEK being camped, not hitting 21, by this Troll Rogue named Jaka, who was on his computer ALL THE TIME camping the damn Raven Hill Cemetary. I learned back then (this is vanilla, pre death coil buff even) that Locks were doomed to Rogues. The rogue was only level 42 or so, so if 60s came by to help, he'd suicide to kill me and then /laugh and come back.

I literally had to (over many death runs) go fly to Wetlands to level through that bracket. I figured I saved time running my way up there over trying to quest in Duskwood.

I ran into that rogue when I was 60, in Ratchet. He was only 46 by then. I had been 60 long enough to grind for my GM Spellblade (after the pvp system change) and he was still 46. I ran up to him and he immediately targetted me, obviously recognized me, and hit a macro that dropped ten pages of /spit onto my screen, then stealthed and walked off.

Since I was higher, I could see him in stealth and just followed him going /hello and /chuckle. He just kept spitting. I was going to take the guards killing me to get him, but he hit Sprint and went into the inn, using Distract on me when I tried to follow. Got in there, immediately logs.

I never saw him again, so I guess he quit with BC.

[Vad]

Back when I started, I hit level 20, went to Duskwood, and spent the next GOD DAMN WEEK being camped, not hitting 21, by this Troll Rogue named Jaka, who was on his computer ALL THE TIME camping the damn Raven Hill Cemetary. I learned back then (this is vanilla, pre death coil buff even) that Locks were doomed to Rogues. The rogue was only level 42 or so, so if 60s came by to help, he'd suicide to kill me and then /laugh and come back.

I literally had to (over many death runs) go fly to Wetlands to level through that bracket. I figured I saved time running my way up there over trying to quest in Duskwood.

I ran into that rogue when I was 60, in Ratchet. He was only 46 by then. I had been 60 long enough to grind for my GM Spellblade (after the pvp system change) and he was still 46. I ran up to him and he immediately targetted me, obviously recognized me, and hit a macro that dropped ten pages of /spit onto my screen, then stealthed and walked off.

Since I was higher, I could see him in stealth and just followed him going /hello and /chuckle. He just kept spitting. I was going to take the guards killing me to get him, but he hit Sprint and went into the inn, using Distract on me when I tried to follow. Got in there, immediately logs.

I never saw him again, so I guess he quit with BC.

I was leveling my skinning the other day on my 64 Death Knight. I was in stranglethorn killing the tigers by nesingwary. 80 Druid and 80 Hunter (Alliance of course) just start killing me. I ignored them, and their level 40 buddies. I wanted to skin.

Finally they leave me alone. I get about 10 tigers done before 2 mages, 3 rouges, and the druid and hunter surround me. I'm dead almost instantly.

I go onto chat.

"Did anyone piss the alliance off? =("

The reply?

A level 45 Orc Hunter I saw earlier; "Oops"

>.<

[Kazuya]

I was trying to bark out some strategy, you know, there's five bases, we need a good majority to win, so three. thatll give us enough resources as long as we keep them camped with 3 people each, dispersing a 49 to each, and keepingthem fortified, and within running distance if say, the horde wanted to come from the BS, we can just get our drifters out there on the path walking between the LM, stables and mine to come to whomever needs it. We keep our bases fortified and protected, wait and win. Its a good strategy, but no one listens. they run around like chickens with thier heads cut off.

So we're only in the first 400/800 points of the game, of the 2000 needed to win. we're only down by a couple hundred. If we keep our shit protected and strategically take three bases, we should be good and come back. Still plenty of time to come back. I get this loser barking over the bg chat "we're gonna lose". "we can't win". ugh.

[Ashe]

Vad, there's your mistake.

You went to STV on a PVP server.

FUUUUCk that zone on a PVP server.

On my horde, there are ALWAYS lvl 80 alliance in a group camping Nesingwary's. On my alliance, there are ALWAYS lvl 80 horde in a group camping Nesingwary's.

The basic jist is, in order to quest there, you need a group of level 80 friends to keep your ass safe. Whoever has more, gets to quest. The loser finds another location or time on the schedule.

[Majicka]

I always laugh at people that believe that their own faction doesn't do the same exact things like 6 man camp a single lowbie.

It happens on both sides."

Bullshit. And I have the perfect example. Alliance get a hardon by attacking Tarren Mill constantly. Every server I've been on does that. Yet Horde only attacks Southshore, and only to draw alliance away from Tarren Mill.

Why? Because it's retarded. But it's a alliance thing.

[Ashe]

Bullshit. And I have the perfect example. Alliance get a hardon by attacking Tarren Mill constantly. Every server I've been on does that. Yet Horde only attacks Southshore, and only to draw alliance away from Tarren Mill.

Why? Because it's retarded. But it's a alliance thing.

I call bullshit on your example.

In fact, in AoS, while leveling my lock pre-BC, Southshore was frequently camped to the point of me literally getting gibbed the moment I tried to log on. I'd log on in the Inn already dead due to numerous horde standing inside the town and just slaughtering anyone that was in range.

Numerous times I've gone by there on my druid and seen people bragging about camping Southshore with two or three 80s when the only allies on were in the proper level range.

I don't see how someone can seriously believe that somehow their preferred faction just happens to have the more mature players and the other faction just happened to end up with the "immature players". The point is that you are more likely to notice something when it happens to you and rubs you the wrong way and more likely to not even take in if its happening the other way around.

Numerous examples of this line of thought:

1- Every warlock feels like a tremor totem will ALWAYS break the shaman out of fear before they run out of range of the pulses. No matter how they time it, they are convinced that the shaman ALWAYS gets broken by that totem and are thus immune. They can show you many many examples to "prove" this.

2- Every shaman feels that tremor totem NEVER ticks until they are out of range of it while feared, and that the damn thing may as well be useless. They also feel that no matter how many dots, they always suffer a single fear to full duration and can quote numerous examples of "proof" to support these claims.

3- Similar to the above, all locks feel that rogues always stunlock them from 100% to 0% before the stunlock ends EVEN WITH a trinket being blown, or at least leaving them at 20% with the rogue Cloaked. Every rogue will swear that stunlock can not do this and its entirely blown out or proportion. Every player will have numerous examples to support their side and will pretty much have never seen it happen in reverse.

4- When doing arena last season, my partner and I (he being a warrior, me being a resto shaman) were playing and I would constantly find myself interrupted by RNG mace stun procs from Stormherald equipped mace spec warriors. And yet he would constantly complain that his own mace spec would NEVER proc to interrupt things. SO nearly every game was played with the most amazing timing on these Random Number Generator procs that would just happen to stop the most critical heals every time, and yet we'd see entire games where this didn't happen for us. It was all perception, we had the same proc chance that the opponents did.

5- At work, I frequently feel like I always get the last table that comes in the door. I swear I can call it every single time. IT EVEN HAPPENED TONIGHT. No matter what, people will remind me of my luck and how I always seem to get the final table at work. And yet... one of the other hostesses turned around and bitched another hostess out two nights ago with "Why the fuck do you ALWAYS give my boyfriend the last table?" because he was complaining about it (and the funny part was that he hadn't had a table since an hour before, six more tables had been sat since). I laughed about it, thinking the obvious about myself being the one, and then a third person walked in and chimed in "Bullshit, I always get the last table. Just the other week on ____ and ____ and ____" citing examples. We can't ALL be right.

6- It seems like everytime I serve a table that fits any kind of minority (to include white trash), I get screwed out of a tip. They always do things the same way, and yet never leave me a tip. Except, despite all the bad nights and constant bitching about the customers that stiff me, I forget about the good customers that surprised me and did leave me a decent tip despite fitting said stereotypes to the most perfect description. Numerous times I've had the absolute nicest upper class business people at a table with the most profane, dirty clothes wearing anal retentive drunks, and gotten 20% from the douchebags and absolutely nothing from the nice people that told me "Have a great night!" in a cheery voice on the way out the door.

People as a race essentially have both a superiority complex and a victim complex, which leads to frequent profiling of one's self as both. What happens everytime you win at a game? You clearly outplayed them. What happens when you lose? They got lucky. What happens if you play any class at all in WoW and you get a good rating? Its because you are the flavor of the month overpowered class that can be facerolled on the keyboard to instant Gladiator. What happens if you have a shitty rating and have gone up against nothing but those overplayed classes? You suck, keyboard turn, mouse click your spells, and should probably quit the game and go cut yourself because you don't know how to play your class. So its either your class is overpowered, you got carried by someone that was overpowered, or you just suck. No middle ground.

And every single person on the forum can post a different link (and will readily do so about ten times) to "prove" that a blue agrees with them, that there are statistics on many upscale sites to support them, and that you are wrong. And the very next damn post will have a link that completely supports the opposite theory with entirely new numbers. And a third will throw all THOSE out the window. All will be the most recent and 100% accurate.

Its infallible.

[Rafael]

That sums it up nicely. I've played both sides, have every class at at least 71, and pretty much everything is about even. Yes, my rogue always loses to a warrior, but my warrior always beats rogues, and hunters pwn my warrior but my rogue pwns hunters. Ret pallies, on the other hand, are bullshit overpowered, which I love when playing mine and avoid at all costs if they have full health/mana alone. Horde has tards, alliance has tards, although I swear there's a teeny favor towards horde npcs.

I noticed this when BC came out, and outside the portal are three npcs. two alliance, one a 61ish elite and the other a vanilla wuss, and the horde was a 70 elite, and maybe it's me, but in Grizzly Hills the horde npcs on my server are always winning, though that's basically the generic horde arms warrior vs. generic alliance prot warrior kinda deal.

[Ashe]

That sums it up nicely. I've played both sides, have every class at at least 71, and pretty much everything is about even. Yes, my rogue always loses to a warrior, but my warrior always beats rogues, and hunters pwn my warrior but my rogue pwns hunters. Ret pallies, on the other hand, are bullshit overpowered, which I love when playing mine and avoid at all costs if they have full health/mana alone. Horde has tards, alliance has tards, although I swear there's a teeny favor towards horde npcs.

I noticed this when BC came out, and outside the portal are three npcs. two alliance, one a 61ish elite and the other a vanilla wuss, and the horde was a 70 elite, and maybe it's me, but in Grizzly Hills the horde npcs on my server are always winning, though that's basically the generic horde arms warrior vs. generic alliance prot warrior kinda deal.

I don't know if the term "sums it up" can be used with my massive wall of text, but yeah, haha.

I mean, every horde server I'm on has them bitching that they lose every bg, and that Blizz favors the alliance and thus makes maps ally favored. And yet every ally server I'm on, I hear the exact reverse. A ton of horde think all the ally racials, every single freakin one, are completely over powered. And allies think the same about horde racials. No, seriously. Go to the Damage Dealing forums and look at how many posts are whining about ally racials (namely Perception, Every Man For Himself, Shadowmeld, Escape Artist, Stone Form, miss racials, Gift of the Naaru even...) and just as many posts about Will of the Forsaken, War Stomp, Arcane Torrent, MISS RACIALS, Blood Fury, stun reduction talent, (anything but the Troll racials... since they are pathetic). Each post causes a series of posts of said races explaining how absolutely useless and crappy their underpowered racial is and how everyone else's racial is overpowered.

I could make a post right now titled "A Ret Pally just two shot my warlock pet" (I've seen this thread and video) and within two hours it will be 5 pages with about 9/10 of the posters being pallies explaining that the warlock just sucks and the rest of the people will be screaming "NERF PALLIES TO THE GROUND".

I... would agree with your NPC perception, honestly. And town placement in numerous situations, but again, its mostly my perception there.

[Kaden]

I don't know if the term "sums it up" can be used with my massive wall of text

Damn... you beat me to it.

[Majicka]

I call bullshit on your example.

In fact, in AoS, while leveling my lock pre-BC, Southshore was frequently camped to the point of me literally getting gibbed the moment I tried to log on. I'd log on in the Inn already dead due to numerous horde standing inside the town and just slaughtering anyone that was in range.

Numerous times I've gone by there on my druid and seen people bragging about camping Southshore with two or three 80s when the only allies on were in the proper level range.

I don't see how someone can seriously believe that somehow their preferred faction just happens to have the more mature players and the other faction just happened to end up with the "immature players". The point is that you are more likely to notice something when it happens to you and rubs you the wrong way and more likely to not even take in if its happening the other way around.

Numerous examples of this line of thought:

1- Every warlock feels like a tremor totem will ALWAYS break the shaman out of fear before they run out of range of the pulses. No matter how they time it, they are convinced that the shaman ALWAYS gets broken by that totem and are thus immune. They can show you many many examples to "prove" this.

2- Every shaman feels that tremor totem NEVER ticks until they are out of range of it while feared, and that the damn thing may as well be useless. They also feel that no matter how many dots, they always suffer a single fear to full duration and can quote numerous examples of "proof" to support these claims.

3- Similar to the above, all locks feel that rogues always stunlock them from 100% to 0% before the stunlock ends EVEN WITH a trinket being blown, or at least leaving them at 20% with the rogue Cloaked. Every rogue will swear that stunlock can not do this and its entirely blown out or proportion. Every player will have numerous examples to support their side and will pretty much have never seen it happen in reverse.

4- When doing arena last season, my partner and I (he being a warrior, me being a resto shaman) were playing and I would constantly find myself interrupted by RNG mace stun procs from Stormherald equipped mace spec warriors. And yet he would constantly complain that his own mace spec would NEVER proc to interrupt things. SO nearly every game was played with the most amazing timing on these Random Number Generator procs that would just happen to stop the most critical heals every time, and yet we'd see entire games where this didn't happen for us. It was all perception, we had the same proc chance that the opponents did.

5- At work, I frequently feel like I always get the last table that comes in the door. I swear I can call it every single time. IT EVEN HAPPENED TONIGHT. No matter what, people will remind me of my luck and how I always seem to get the final table at work. And yet... one of the other hostesses turned around and bitched another hostess out two nights ago with "Why the fuck do you ALWAYS give my boyfriend the last table?" because he was complaining about it (and the funny part was that he hadn't had a table since an hour before, six more tables had been sat since). I laughed about it, thinking the obvious about myself being the one, and then a third person walked in and chimed in "Bullshit, I always get the last table. Just the other week on ____ and ____ and ____" citing examples. We can't ALL be right.

6- It seems like everytime I serve a table that fits any kind of minority (to include white trash), I get screwed out of a tip. They always do things the same way, and yet never leave me a tip. Except, despite all the bad nights and constant bitching about the customers that stiff me, I forget about the good customers that surprised me and did leave me a decent tip despite fitting said stereotypes to the most perfect description. Numerous times I've had the absolute nicest upper class business people at a table with the most profane, dirty clothes wearing anal retentive drunks, and gotten 20% from the douchebags and absolutely nothing from the nice people that told me "Have a great night!" in a cheery voice on the way out the door.

People as a race essentially have both a superiority complex and a victim complex, which leads to frequent profiling of one's self as both. What happens everytime you win at a game? You clearly outplayed them. What happens when you lose? They got lucky. What happens if you play any class at all in WoW and you get a good rating? Its because you are the flavor of the month overpowered class that can be facerolled on the keyboard to instant Gladiator. What happens if you have a shitty rating and have gone up against nothing but those overplayed classes? You suck, keyboard turn, mouse click your spells, and should probably quit the game and go cut yourself because you don't know how to play your class. So its either your class is overpowered, you got carried by someone that was overpowered, or you just suck. No middle ground.

And every single person on the forum can post a different link (and will readily do so about ten times) to "prove" that a blue agrees with them, that there are statistics on many upscale sites to support them, and that you are wrong. And the very next damn post will have a link that completely supports the opposite theory with entirely new numbers. And a third will throw all THOSE out the window. All will be the most recent and 100% accurate.

Its infallible.

In fact, in AoS, while leveling my lock pre-BC, Southshore was frequently camped to the point of me literally getting gibbed the moment I tried to log on. I'd log on in the Inn already dead due to numerous horde standing inside the town and just slaughtering anyone that was in range.

Numerous times I've gone by there on my druid and seen people bragging about camping Southshore with two or three 80s when the only allies on were in the proper level range.

I am, once again, calling BS. I've leveled four characters through hillsbrad and it was CONSTANTLY under attack. Eventually people would say fuck it, and attack back. However, with people rushing to outlands/northrend, the Horde simply don't care about camping a useless village for hours.

In fact, having played Alliance and having friends who did so, we can both remember guildies spending afternoons of player killing in Hillsbrad.


I don't see how someone can seriously believe that somehow their preferred faction just happens to have the more mature players and the other faction just happened to end up with the "immature players". The point is that you are more likely to notice something when it happens to you and rubs you the wrong way and more likely to not even take in if its happening the other way around.

I never said that they were immature. Never said camping Tarren Mill was immature, your the one who views it as such, apparently. In fact, I don't see anyone in this thread, might be wrong, who said something of this nature.


Also, as for the note of NPC placement, I'd like to note that every small alliance village in Northrend has a boss with a ton of health, and Horde, sadly, does not.

This is because of unbalanced population density on PVP servers, as Blizzard has said.


Also, your new king is a intolerant son of a bitch. ^_^

[Vad]

Ashe is correct. You cannot say that it's going to be only alliance or only horde. Depending on what server you play it's going to be different. On my 60 Orc Warrior on Ner Zhul, Pre-BC, before all the bullshit I don't like. (Sorry..not meant to bash). On the way to AQ-40, our raid was intercepted by an alliance raid trying to go as well. Right in the middle of Silithus a massive full scale rape fest just erupted on the path way. 80 players killing each other, because it was funny. Being the raid leader in my guild at the time, I offered the idea to get back at them to the PUG over Vent.

We regrouped and started ramming every alliance we ran into. So yes, I'm guilty of it. Alliance isn't any better.

Molten Core raid couple days after. I was on my priest for this one, same server. Alliance decides to cock block the teleportation crystal. Because of the confined space it was literally a 300 moment, with our raid being the persian forces.

What'd we do?

We invaded Duskwood.

Shit happens. People are assholes. Not one side is guilty alone.

[Kole T. Merr]

This kind of reminds me of something we went over in Intro Psych. It's where you only notice the things that agree with the way you already think. You think Horde is good and Alliance is a bunch of n00b retards, then you will only notice the one Alliance acting like a n00b retard and not the millions of others that are not acting like a n00b retard.

The example given in class was about driving. Everybody thinks old asian people can't drive, and when you see an old asian person driving like an idiot, you just think "I knew it. None of them can drive." Meanwhile, you're completely ignoring the other old asian people that you see driving very well.

[Majicka]

I'm not arguing that both sides aren't guilty of camping, or so forth. My argument that is on AoS, Alliance make more effort to disrupt low levels then the Horde do. It's their way at getting back at us due to our 3 to 1 ratio.

And, I envy Vad, because I missed those cool raids. Now I'm just stuck with Nax and Ulduar.

[Vad]

From the mixed reviews of this RPG, I am quite certain that the style of play I heavily enjoyed is not liked. The taking 4 hours to beat a boss with 40 people until the wee hours of the morning.

I'm merely using my experiences as a point. It's a game which means when Alliance OR Horde are being assholes. Get even. And we do.

Most recently? I assisted 5 level 80's raping Honor Hold. Quest NPC's, Shop NPC's and everything, even the flight master were dead.

Not 20 minutes later, a group of 80's appeared at Thrallmar. To do the same thing. You have a few laughs and move on. That's what people have forgotten.

When you do shit like this, you do it to just get revenge and have some laughs. You laugh with each other while you're doing it and move on. People have twisted this sort of behavior into a custom and a way to get people to fly off the handle.

That's what I don't like.