Travel

[Alexander Trafford]

Just making up scenarios doesn't really prove points...

it was an example to disprove Zena's point that inactive people wouldn't be affected by a layered/tiered traveling cost system. Because inactive people by definition RP less, than they would naturally earn less zeni and consequently the lower ticket prices would proportionately affect them just as much as the people who RP more and earn more zeni. I wasn't making up scenarios i was comparing active RPers to inactive RPers in terms of the amount of zeni they obtain, comparitively, and how they would be affected by tiered traveling costs to prove to Zena that inactive people would still be affected.

[Psyren]

It would probally be easiar to pass universal healthcare than travel prices .

[Waffuru]

You can roleplay in space/transit...

[Celena]

Personally, I think travel should be relatively easy to encourage group RP.

What's stopping 4 people on earth gathering together for a group RP right now? Here's 4 people who aren't in the world martial arts tournament. Charles 4, Sgt. Marks, Wyatt..looking for a forth, perhaps someone with more experience to act as a group leader, BAM! Mal Nova.

[Jack]

Right now all the cool people are somewhere else. Mal Nova doesn't count, not anymore and he knows why.

And in the event that everyone and they baby's momma's momma ain't on Earth, it would be even harder to get together with the people that you want to RP with. I know people don't want cliques forming (I know I don't), and for people to constantly be roleplaying only with the same people, but that's what sagas are for.

[Celena]

The ship section of the capsule shop has been updated.

[Sage]

I actually agree with you guys. But for different reasons.

I don't think the prices are too high, I think the potential to earn zeni is way, way, way too low.

It's easier to get SSJ than it is to get a ki rifle. That's retarded.

[Jack]

Check the first two ships.

Capsule Zip Ship - 500 zeni - Capsule Corps newest ship, which is shaped like a rocket. This is a fast ship that lets you travel from one planet to another in only two days.

Capsule Ship - 800 zeni - Basically just a bigger version of a Capsule Pod. This ship, however, can carry up to five people at a time. Despite the increased size, this ship still takes two days to move from one planet to the next.

These? Are they permanent?

Geez Jack, pay attention.

Capsule Pod - 250 zeni - This the standard, no-frills ship that Capsule Corp is know for. This lets you travel from one planet to another in five days.

Capsule Zip Ship - 500 zeni - Capsule Corps newest ship, which is shaped like a rocket. This is a fast ship that lets you travel from one planet to another in only two days.

These are still too high. If I make 300 zeni per job (which is like, being generous), and plan to travel after every job, I end up with a 50 zeni profit per job. So if I travel to 5 different planets, saying I take a week per job quest, factoring in the 5 day travel time:

*250 total zeni accrued; which can buy me just about nothing
*Over a period of 60 days; 2 months
*25 of those days spent in space, fluid-timing like a fag... that's nearly half of the 60 days

Only a machine can do a job quest a week, firstly. Secondly, if I plan on doing some personal storylines while I'm on a planet, then that's more time spent there and more of an urgency to get somewhere else when I'm done. So that's more time spent on a planet, the same amount of Zeni earned while there, and still an assload of cash to get a change of scenery. This brings up the "you can do any job, some just don't pay as much" angle, which brings me to this:

Rad brought up a good point, ANYTHING can be a job quest. So why not, like, just reward zeni over time, or per roleplay, or something. This is no different than someone making everything they do a job quest, which people will do if these item costs don't go down, or the amount of zeni rewarded doesn't go up.

[Psyren]

Dont bring me into rp'in with folks on earth. Im working on my own stuff and dont have time to rp on earth until my own agenda is done. Now when i do finsh i do plan to meet up with Bil and Cain.

[Kaden]

These are still too high. If I make 300 zeni per job (which is like, being generous), and plan to travel after every job, I end up with a 50 zeni profit per job. So if I travel to 5 different planets, saying I take a week per job quest, factoring in the 5 day travel time:

Well that's what they are.

Through all these complaints, no one has actually considered that quest rewards go up as your Rank goes up. Stuff is supposed to seem expensive now because the rewards suck.

Rad brought up a good point, ANYTHING can be a job quest. So why not, like, just reward zeni over time, or per roleplay, or something. This is no different than someone making everything they do a job quest, which people will do if these item costs don't go down, or the amount of zeni rewarded doesn't go up.

Now you're starting to get it. There's no reason to not make something a quest. I've tried to encourage that every single time Jobs or Quests have come into question. Don't complain just because you aren't doing that.

Now, the reason zeni isn't automated is to preserve a sense of objectivity. To reward quality in addition to quantity. That's also why there's a range for quest rewards. That's not going to change.

EDIT: We want to add longevity and the Job system does that. I understand that it's annoying when you want to do something right now, but we have to consider more than that singular concern.

[Mal Nova]

300 Zeni per quest... PSHHHHHH lol

Capsule Ship - 800 zeni - Basically just a bigger version of a Capsule Pod. This ship, however, can carry up to five people at a time. Despite the increased size, this ship still takes two days to move from one planet to the next.

Now how many of the earth people are going to Mercy? I think there's at least 5... That means 5 people can split 800...

The reason this is coming up right now is because of the 'mini-saga' and such But is it a Mini-saga or just a huge Group RP? If it was me, I'd go to staff, if it was a Mini-saga, and perhaps try to get some sort of deal going. It's what a few people have done in the past, and sometimes it works out.

Now me personally... if it's not saga based or there's no full promise of going deeper into my character, depth wise, or a few good other RP reasons then i'd have to want to make a job out of it somewhere or else... I've wasted time for myself and improving my character to the point of where I'm comfortable with him.

[Jack]

800/5 = 160

500/1 = 500

I don't see the logic.

[Mal Nova]

Buy in bulk.... it's always cheaper...

[Rafael]

These are still too high. If I make 300 zeni per job (which is like, being generous), and plan to travel after every job, I end up with a 50 zeni profit per job.

I don't quite get it. Ships are permanent, right?

[Jack]

Zena didn't answer when I asked. Seriously doubt it, permanent ships used to cost like 10,000 zeni.

If these ships are permanent then that's awesome.

[Mal Nova]

They are... Capsule Coorp Ships. Not your own.

UNless they remade the ship shit again...

[Rafael]

Oh. In that case, that's kinda lame.

[Mal Nova]

.. No... Personal Ships cost 5k+ last era...

[Tyr]

.. No... Personal Ships cost 5k+ last era...

According to what I've read of this thread, you also made a lot more cash last era.

Also yes, I just meant refunding for the technique couldn't be that hard.

[Jack]

Yeah it was a lot easier to make money last time. But even then, after about 2 years of being a post-whore, I didn't accrue enough Zeni to get any of the big items. I don't think anyone really did... most of the good shit people got came from saga rewards, unless of course you were sitting on top of 20k Zeni and a good 7 years of roleplaying history.