The Room of Spirit and Time

[Cain]

The talking Johnny Depp icon is right! No taxation without representation!

[Ashe]

Can we use the RoSaT without the ability change? Just for RP purposes.

I think the last time this was brought up, it was a unanimous "no problem with that".

I echo others. I don't see a real need/function for it. I'm reasonably sure that I haven't even earned 75xp since the change, and people who have written enough to get that high I assume are pretty happy with their character.

This is primarily for later game stuff where someone finds "resetting" their character to be too large of a penalty. And 75xp is very very little for anyone playing semi actively. I don't even think I'd say that this will be the only method to allow an ability swap, but it IS a method.

It's not like I expect it to be changed, but it seems unnecessary.

Nothing is ever set in stone. We changed the job system after not liking the way it was working, and we are entirely willing to change it again if we still aren't happy with it.

Additionally, I'm willing to at least see other ideas (as in me personally am willing to view other ideas on the grounds that there is no guarantee in any way that it will replace the current system).

I'll open a RPG Discussion thread on that right now.

[Ashe]

http://www.cdbzrpg.com/forum/showthread....post512004

[Jonathan Meer]

If 75XP is very little please give me it.

[Belle Hibiki]

The caveat is "for anyone playing semi-actively."

[Jonathan Meer]

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I still want it.

[Ashe]

Let me put it this way. In the spans of a single roleplay saga, the entirety of my active roleplaying with this character, I earned 200xp. Enough to get Tier 1 and quite close to Tier 2.

For any decent amount of effort, those costs are actually quite easy to get. If the actual roleplaying effort put forth by many of us was at that level (as opposed to the low/no activity from most of us) then we'd likely raise them.

[Psyren]

How about a way to change characters without losings stats, combat ability or techniques and items. lol

[Celena]

The most we've ever had in the past is one free swtich.

[Jonathan Meer]

How about this:

A member is allowed to, once a year, name something they want to accomplish, be it the acquisition of a Tech, or a Power-Up, or whatever. They are given, for the RoSaT, a reduced cost (say, 5 XP shaved off of a Tech requirement, or 10 shaved off a Power-Up requirement), but all of the XP utilized for that Tech or Power-Up must come from roleplaying in the RoSaT.

So, for example, suppose I want to demolish Sgt. Marks' ability to post in the OOC forums. I would approach Staff, ask how much that would cost (something like 2 XP), and I would then roleplay in the RoSaT to gain 2 XP.

[Kaden]

A member is allowed to, once a year, name something they want to accomplish, be it the acquisition of a Tech, or a Power-Up, or whatever. They are given, for the RoSaT, a reduced cost (say, 5 XP shaved off of a Tech requirement, or 10 shaved off a Power-Up requirement), but all of the XP utilized for that Tech or Power-Up must come from roleplaying in the RoSaT.

We were actually considering something similar for a "sensei" system.

[Jonathan Meer]

Oh. Cool. That would make more sense.

[Alexander Trafford]

And as soon as we do, everyone then goes "hey when you guys making room of spirit and time i wanna hyperbolic time chamber it up! since there isn't one, I can just say I'm roleplaying in it right? Ok, now on that slope, I want to get this judged for extra xp since this is the friggin rosat come on just like the show plz make me the strongest ever"

No, no one does that. Unless they do it super secretly. And if that's your justification for naming this "Ability Changing Room" the Room of Spirit and Time, then i don't even know what to say. I've never seen anyone, besides maybe you, say anything along those lines, ever. Name it Tom's Room for all i care, or something else. But you can't create one thing, and name it after something it's not. If i create a construction company, i'm not going to just name it Wal Mart. That makes no sense. Call it something else.

And if this Ability changing thread becomes an outlet for someone to create a Peter Petrelli, ability switching type character, i'm gonna sacrifice Jack.

And if you're going to respond to this, please do it succinctly. Watching you drown out any and all opposition to this idea with your mind-numbingly long winded explanations is frustrating.

[Kaden]

The succinct response is it's a name. We have nothing else for ROSAT and we're apparently not as hung up on canon as a lot of other people.

EDIT: For those who don't mind a little more reading, there's a more elaborate answer. In the show, the ROSAT was not a room that people entered and came out stronger. It was a room that magically bent the laws of time and space to allow an entire year to pass by in a matter of hours. The Z Warriors used that year for nothing but training. Their increase in strength wasn't a product of the room, it was a product of their own efforts.

This erroneous association of the name "Room of Spirit and Time" with automatic power gain is causing problems that, frankly, are quite silly. Since the room itself is nothing but a container for some mystical. dimension altering magic, why is it such a leap that said magic be used for something that fits nicely as a game mechanic?

If we included a backstory that made sense using the established canon of the Chubbs universe, would people still have a problem with it? Something that "explained" the slight shift in the Room's functionality?

[Ashe]

No, no one does that. Unless they do it super secretly. And if that's your justification for naming this "Ability Changing Room" the Room of Spirit and Time, then i don't even know what to say. I've never seen anyone, besides maybe you, say anything along those lines, ever. Name it Tom's Room for all i care, or something else. But you can't create one thing, and name it after something it's not. If i create a construction company, i'm not going to just name it Wal Mart. That makes no sense. Call it something else.

And if this Ability changing thread becomes an outlet for someone to create a Peter Petrelli, ability switching type character, i'm gonna sacrifice Jack.

And if you're going to respond to this, please do it succinctly. Watching you drown out any and all opposition to this idea with your mind-numbingly long winded explanations is frustrating.

Want a short and succinct response? Stop jumping to conclusions to support whatever it is you are trying to do and everyone should read the outline of what we aren't doing.

I'm sorry if you think that we are just super proud and trying to fight anything other than our super perfect idea, as you seem to be alluding to, but its simple. If we make an outline that says "here's a summary of what core outline we don't want" and you suggest fifteen things that boil down to that outline with a lot of possibly cool ideas on top of it, we are going to still say no. Get over it.

EDIT: I'm glad Kaden found the words that I couldn't to explain that point about the fact that the room is still doing the same thing. Its hard to get people to realize that just because people used that year to do nothing but train hardcore (which they could have done outside of the room, if time was not a matter of importance, and gained the same effect) doesn't mean that the room itself was responsible magically for it.

[Alexander Trafford]

I like the idea, not the name. That's all i'm saying. But, Kaden, if its just a name for the room then why not just use a different name? That's really all i was suggesting, so cool down Ashe. I also had problems with your defense of the name, because you said you called it the ROSAT so that other people didn't harass you about the ROSAT and then began to degrade the average non-staff member by alluding that we're all a bunch of damned morons with your example. An example which, by the way, was completely off the mark and ridiculous.

All i said was name it something else, so stop getting pissy because i attacked your terrible defense of the use of the ROSAT name. Kaden, if your saying that because the ROSAT was just a mystical place with mystical properties and not to worry about it because its just a name, then why not name it something else? I'm sure there are a hundred more mysticl chubbs things more fitting of the ROSAT name then this.

[Kaden]

Kaden, if your saying that because the ROSAT was just a mystical place with mystical properties and not to worry about it because its just a name, then why not name it something else?

Because given the choice between using an unused name from the canon, or just making something up, we -- or at least I -- thought that using ROSAT would lend the player base a sense of familiarity.

[Psyren]

Do it the simple way. Put it to a site wide poll and let the members decide wether they want it or not. I mean dont pull a obama and try and push things on a majority of us who dont want it in the first place.

[Kaden]

Oh Marks. You're so hip and topical.

[Psyren]

I see it as everyone is fighting over it. Simple poll with two simple anwsers, Want it or dont want it. And dont insult me kaden just because I proposed a idea that I beleive would end this whole debate.