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Rem-13 Wrote:I know what you're talking about, and no I'm not getting into a global warming/cooling/climate change/derpaderp argument, but taking that subtext out:
If your lies save the earth from, say, cracking in half, then yes its justified. You even say so yourself "if your findings are accurate".
Of course you then say 'if you're willing to go to these lengths then how much credit can be put into the original claim that your foreseen disaster is real?' but your are now changing the scenario into a more specific one in which the lies hurt his cause more than help.
We are speaking towards a general concept of whether or not the ends justify the means, through a scenario where the 'ends' are subverting natural disaster and the 'means' are falsified evidence. You can't in the middle of the argument change the 'ends' to failing to subvert the natural disaster. i kept it to a real-world example because if we only masturbate over theoreticals then you can literally have any situation that suits your fancy. i drew from the whole climategate fiasco because i couldn't think of a more stark example of lying for the supposed greater good. using those methods, they managed to get a number of euro nations to implement policy that is becoming increasingly unpopular in the face of rising costs and negligible results, and now that the current scandal is even still unfolding they've done themselves an incredible amount of harm. so, even if their goal is worthwhile they've fucked themselves sideways.
and this brings me back to the point that sam harris' presentation was built on a strange hypocrisy... there are absolutes of right and wrong, but somehow the worst and most common of them all isn't one of them. if lying can't be classified as wrong in all cases, then what can be? for my own peace of mind i'm going to blame it on a political system where honesty is punished, such as what we have here in the west, and not on the zealotry of the humanists. :[
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Climategate isn't a good one because we don't have the gift of hindsight yet do we? The argument isn't that lying is always right but that it can be used for good, we don't know whether this ones managed it yet or not. And if you are calling lying the worst of the 'wrongs' I don't think I'll be able to speak any sense to you.
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what else would be the worst? it's the basis on which all other wrongs can be justified, if you can lie your way out of accountability then the greater good is whatever you can get away with.
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Hate being cursed at for reasons I'm still trying to figure out. All I heard was a bunch of arguing from three different voices on the phone...I'm a little uh thrown off. *shrugs*
Hate: Bleach. I get caught up on the latest chapters and it seems that Aizen is a fucking god or epic fortune-teller or some shit.
Like: Naruto.
Hate my neighbor is once more standing outside my bedroom window talking on the phone to his ex-wife about some stupid mutt. STFU dude.
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Not sure: This thread isn't even halfway done yet. Hurry up, losers.
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Hate that I'm apparently a loser.
Like Juno, the movie about the pregnant chick.
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Jacob Wrote:Hate: Bleach. I get caught up on the latest chapters and it seems that Aizen is a fucking god or epic fortune-teller or some shit.
Welcome to the last fecking 4 years. Bleach has been shit since Aizen turned out to be a bad guy, it's been crap since then, I'm not sure how you managed through Heuco Mundo.
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Josh Wrote:Welcome to the last fecking 4 years. Bleach has been shit since Aizen turned out to be a bad guy, it's been crap since then, I'm not sure how you managed through Heuco Mundo.
I enjoy the fight scenes in the anime. I stopped at the battle of Grimmjow, didn't want to look at filler and moved to the manga which took me about two days to complete.
I thought things would change but it's the same formula, someone will end up using 'Bankai' explaining it to a hollow or whatever who's using his/her 'Resurreccion' who just stands there going 'Interesting...I won't attack while you speak and even though you've explained every ability of you possess I won't attempt to think of a way to counter it or prevent you from using it until the last possible minute.'.
I like Kenpachi. He just hacks away which I like...anyway yeah. I'd complain more about Aizen but I don't want to do any spoilers.
Hate that time seems to be going by slow.
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Naruto got really lame once Shippuuden started. Before that it wasn't bad, save for the filler, but now I can't even stand it. It's so ridiculously dumb I don't get how people can watch it.
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Szar Wrote:Naruto got really lame once Shippuuden started. Before that it wasn't bad, save for the filler, but now I can't even stand it. It's so ridiculously dumb I don't get how people can watch it.
Filler is the best damn part. Sakura and Naruto is like Chi Chi and Goku or Chi Chi and Bulma fighting. Hilarious, even today.
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Szar Wrote:Naruto got really lame once Shippuuden started. Before that it wasn't bad, save for the filler, but now I can't even stand it. It's so ridiculously dumb I don't get how people can watch it.
Just go to the manga. I just enjoy the anime for all the purty colors and to see the jutsu in action. It looks better in color and animation.
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Well I would read the manga if I didn't think that the main villain, whose name escapes me, is incredibly stupid. Plus a lot of the jutsu the bad guys use are just stupid. Plus, they made Gaara nice. And that's just not cool.
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Szar, if you continue this conversation, spoiler tags should probably be present at some point and you need to specify where you're at. Naruto is so long that it changes main villains throughout the entire series.
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