Warning.

[Psyren]

Kaden issued me a warning in the Kame house for doing nothing at all. I did not break any forum rules. I made the comment "It's a movie get over it". He jumped in and gave me a warning.

He said the warning was due to me not adding anything to the conversation/ discussion. But if you look through the thread you can see another member made a 1 word post and nothing was said to him.

I want the warning removed.It is blatantly obvious I did nothing yet he chose to issue me a warning for doing nothing. I read over the Chubbs forum rules and there is no rule against not adding to a conversation or discussion I also found no rules for the Kame house except about posting pornographic images.

I have broken 0 rules of the website with my post. Remove the warning.

[Psyren]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaden View Post
You're correct; John Doe should have been warned. That will be fixed.

All the other posts here (with the exception of Jarka's first post, which was followed within minutes by something relevant) add to the actual conversation taking place. You did not even make an attempt to do that, and you were warned for it. I warned you against doing exactly this the last time it was an issue.



Your post boiled down to "this isn't worth discussing." You're making no effort to further the discussion or to add anything meaningful to it and because I've already told you not to do that, you were warned. If you wish to discuss this with me further, you can do so via PM. If you try to continue discussing your warning in this thread, your posts will be deleted as we have already taken this off-topic. I am more than willing to talk about this further, though.

There is no written rule about not adding to a conversation. You purposely targeted me and me alone and overlooked the other post. You are now back peddling and giving John Doe a warning as to not cause a stir. I have to call you out on this one Kaden for abuse of your rank and targeting a member because you dont agree with what he/she posted.

I did not troll.
I did not flame.
I did not break any Chubbs Dbz Rpg Rule that would even warrant a warning.


(copied from kame house)


Kaden gave me a warning that should not have been issued as well as a warning to john doe.

He purposely came back after warning me and warned john doe only after i brought it to his attention.Meaning he targeted me and me alone and did not check the full thread in question.

Im calling Kaden out on a misuse of power and authority.

[Kaden]

To begin with, I stipulated that John Doe's blatant spam should not have been overlooked and have since warned him for it. That was an oversight on my part and I understand how you see that as being unfair.

As I said in the thread, you were warned for disregarding what you yourself agreed to fourteen days ago.

On a serious note, if all you're going to do is troll threads, then you're going to be banned from the Kame House.

It's fine if you don't want to participate in a conversation, or you want to joke around while making your points, but you were doing neither of those things, by your own admission.

The expectation when people post here is that they're willing to engage in an actual dialogue in a civil manner.

In addition to the post I quoted above, I sent you a PM expressing a similar sentiment. See below:

Like I said, not offended. Nothing to have hard feelings about.

I won't ban or warn this time, but the verbal warning stands.

You responded with:

Aight man, I wont make it a habit, if you need me to make an apology thread or anything will do.

You're very next post in the Kame House was doing the same thing. I told you stop doing something. I wasn't aggressive or unprofessional. I didn't warn you or ban you from the Kame House or anything else. I simply said "don't do it again." You agreed. Then you decided you were going to do it again.

You could have turned your post into something constructive. Something that added to the conversation. You could have said "I don't see how making this a movie is an issue." What you posted was on the absolutely fringe of what I would call "civil discussion" and added absolutely nothing in-and-of itself.

If I had never told you not to make posts like that in the Kame House, I wouldn't have warned. I wouldn't even have said anything. That was not the case.

I understand that you feel slightly because John Doe was not initially warned and you're right. That was an oversight on my part and I have absolutely no intention of denying it. However, John Doe's actions have no impact on yours. The Kame House is a place for serious discussion, wherein threads are given the weight they were intended to have.

Meer brought to question the moral right of a screenwriter to take very serious and debatably tragic event and, potentially, make a mockery of it. You responded with "get over it." That kind of response is exactly why we have the Kame House at all. That kind of response is what the Asylum is for.

I'm sorry you feel like I'm abusing my power and picking on you. I, however, feel like I was very fair and very forgiving the last time an incident like this happened and that you are trying to abuse the goodwill that was shown to you.

[Kaden]

Regarding you not breaking any rules:

This forum will become more for the discussion of serious topics.

I know it seems like I'm being unnecessarily anal about keeping things on topic, but the Kame House is not the Aslyum. I'm trying to help promote focused, clear discussion on specific topics.

Both quotes taken from the sticky threads in the Kame House.

[Psyren]

Show me in the chubbs rule book where me or john doe broke a rule.

1. There is no rule against making a post like me or john doe made.

2. Last time I admitted to trolling. I was not trolling in this instance. I made a comment, a comment you deemed was not worthy of the thread or kame house and issue me and john doe a infraction for it.

3. Because there is no rule for what we did, why then should you be allowed to be a Thread Nazi and pick and choose what you consider "adding to a conversation)

4. If i would not have mentioned john doe you know for a fact nothing would have ever been said or done. So you did in fact target me.

5. You deliberately entered the thread saw my post and chose to power trip.

6. You abused a staff power that is meant to help and guide others, and chose to use it to issue a warning to two people who broke ZERO rules.

7. what happened 4 days ago was admitted trolling. I did in fact troll 14 days ago and even admitted it in the thread.

8. You chose to dig that back up and assumed I was doing the same thing again when in fact I was not.

9.I did add to the conversation. i stated my opinion. Anyone could have made a comment and continued the conversation off of it. But you chose to decide the posts worth which there is also no rule stating a mod or admin can choose if a post is adding or removing from a conversation.

[Psyren]

I checked both sticky threads those two quotes were not there.

and just checked again. Neither of the two quotes you posted are anywhere in the Kame house.

[Kaden]

I checked both sticky threads those two quotes were not there.

I know it seems like I'm being unnecessarily anal about keeping things on topic, but the Kame House is not the Aslyum. I'm trying to help promote focused, clear discussion on specific topics. I understand that a lot of topics tend to easily segue into other similar topics that are next to it in logical progression, but I have to make sure that it stays simply a step beside it rather than suddenly going to a 10-15 post deviation from the topic.

Some of our members are reading the Kame House with full intentions of not participating in certain types of discussion, most notably any discussion that may discuss questioning faith or arguments of political nature. While I have a personal belief that we should all openly enter such discussions for educational reasons, or that we should all readily defend our stances on a subject, that doesn't mean I should allow myself or others to trample on the hopes of others.

This forum is of a touchy nature in itself and as such, we need to do our best to keep things from spilling over between threads and diluting the discussion by turning some of them into a multi-thread battleground. I really want to keep discussion flowing as much as possible, but please acknowledge and respect the concerns of other members in what they do and do not wish to talk about. They want to enter the threads that interest them, and avoid the threads that don't - or even wish to rightfully avoid threads that might provoke them to lose their cool and break the forum rules. Having a thread with one intention suddenly flip into yet another "Super Generic Religion vs Science on the Grandest Level" discussion blindsides them and leaves them not participating in this forum at all.

That said, feel free to reignite discussions in a thread that has been left alone if there is further interest in it. This is not to dampen your curiosity at all but to simply funnel it into the correct locations. Reply to an old thread, even open a new thread if you wish, just don't leave some members into feeling baited.

We're of all types here, gotta respect that.

Link to that post: http://www.cdbzrpg.com/forum/showpost.ph...ostcount=1

Welcome to the Kame House (again), there are some rule changes.

We can no longer allow any pornographic images (or links to them) to be posted on the site. This forum will become more for the discussion of serious topics.

I am not going to set out 1,000 rules for how you should behave yourselves, and you will not have to earn your access here... however, if you decide you want to make personal attacks against someone here you can expect your access to be removed.

Link to that post: http://www.cdbzrpg.com/forum/showpost.ph...ostcount=1

EDIT: I need to collect my thoughts. I honestly don't know what to say.

[Psyren]

Link to that post: http://www.cdbzrpg.com/forum/showpost.ph...ostcount=1



Link to that post: http://www.cdbzrpg.com/forum/showpost.ph...ostcount=1

EDIT: I need to collect my thoughts. I honestly don't know what to say.

Yet again , no rule was broken.

The first bolded sentence is not a rule. It is in fact a statement informing users to stay on topic. So yet again no rule was broken.

And your final bolded sentence in the second quote is again not a rule.

It is informing that we can no longer post inappropriate photos. And simply stating the kame house will be used for discussion. Again no rule broken.

All that has been proven is that

1. You warned me and john doe for nothing.

2. No rule was broken.

3. You misused your power, and decided to pick and choose what you consider to be adding to discussion.

4. Again no rule was broken. I checked the sites rules pages as well as Kame house. There are no rules against what me and mr doe posted.

[Victoria]

May I add something?

It may not seem like it, but for me, to have a member say "It's just a movie, get over it..." to a thread I make, I'd be offended. I'm making a thread for a serious discussion. A post like that is like saying no one should care...and you may not care, but others do.

Psyren, it's just a warning. You aren't banned or severely warned. Just one post, you should just let it go. Kaden RARELY warns people. In fact, we we haven't warned anyone for 3 months (Kaden hasn't warned anyone in a whole YEAR). Don't think that it's personal, of all the people I know, and admins I've seen, he's not one for taking anything personal.

Just take a deep breath, and understand that from the outside, it looks like a rude comment that had no input on the topic. Kame House is for serious stuff, not spam, or anything trivial like that. Just chalk it up to misunderstanding the intent of the Kame House, and maybe focus on RPing and writing, rather than arguing with something so small.

EDIT: Quick add, Doe's reply was ridiculous as well. I recall a few years back we used to get "lol" as a post, and nothing else. We made a rule against that. Unfortunately, I know some of us want to be funny...but again, it doesn't help the conversation. Expand, don't post a comment that has no relevance except to minorly poke at the issue.

[Psyren]

May I add something?

It may not seem like it, but for me, to have a member say "It's just a movie, get over it..." to a thread I make, I'd be offended. I'm making a thread for a serious discussion. A post like that is like saying no one should care...and you may not care, but others do.

Psyren, it's just a warning. You aren't banned or severely warned. Just one post, you should just let it go. Kaden RARELY warns people. In fact, we we haven't warned anyone for 3 months (Kaden hasn't warned anyone in a whole YEAR). Don't think that it's personal, of all the people I know, and admins I've seen, he's not one for taking anything personal.

Just take a deep breath, and understand that from the outside, it looks like a rude comment that had no input on the topic. Kame House is for serious stuff, not spam, or anything trivial like that. Just chalk it up to misunderstanding the intent of the Kame House, and maybe focus on RPing and writing, rather than arguing with something so small.

Im sorry but the posts made were pertaining to the topic at hand. They did in fact add the to conversation and anyone could have added it to it with there own comments or questioning.

The warnings were unjustified and uncalled for. No rules were broken so there should have never been a warning in the first place.

Quick add, Doe's reply was ridiculous as well. I recall a few years back we used to get "lol" as a post, and nothing else. We made a rule against that. Unfortunately, I know some of us want to be funny...but again, it doesn't help the conversation. Expand, don't post a comment that has no relevance except to minorly poke at the issue.
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There is no written rule. I have checked the rules pages. There are 0 rules against the two posts made. You can say all day that there is a rule. But I dont see a rule of that kind anywhere in our rules pages. So against the warnings were unjustified

[Victoria]

All the warning is, is a thread, saying hey, please don't do that. We aren't banning you, or chopping off your hands. You are blowing this out of proportion. Please try to put yourself in our shoes. Heck, I just logged in and saw the thread, and then the warnings, and I feel that as a staff member, this was the best course of action.

There has always been a rule of thumb...the admins have the final say. This place has been going for over ten years. We have had very few member problems. This isn't anything against you. As I said, take a deep breath, and maybe take a step back from the PC or the site. We like you, it's been said before, and you've been with us for 2 years. Don't let this small warning get any worse than it needs to be.

I was warned once for posting somewhere I shouldn't have. Yeah, it made me angry, but I accepted it. This is just a forum, for writing, and things happen.

[Psyren]

All the warning is, is a thread, saying hey, please don't do that. We aren't banning you, or chopping off your hands. You are blowing this out of proportion. Please try to put yourself in our shoes. Heck, I just logged in and saw the thread, and then the warnings, and I feel that as a staff member, this was the best course of action.

There has always been a rule of thumb...the admins have the final say. This place has been going for over ten years. We have had very few member problems. This isn't anything against you. As I said, take a deep breath, and maybe take a step back from the PC or the site. We like you, it's been said before, and you've been with us for 2 years. Don't let this small warning get any worse than it needs to be.

I was warned once for posting somewhere I shouldn't have. Yeah, it made me angry, but I accepted it. This is just a forum, for writing, and things happen.

Im sorry you feel that way. This would be the same as driving 30 mph down the street in a 30mph zone and a cop giving you a ticket for going 50. You know you didn't do anything wrong so you want to know why your being ticketed for absolutely nothing.


Like when I trolled 14 days ago. I admitted to what i did and told kaden I would accept whatever punishment he deemed fit because I knew I did something stupid.

This time I did nothing wrong and neither did Doe (altho im sure he could care less.)

Again its like getting a ticket for speeding when you didnt. The police are gonna take their fellow officers word for it and ignore the complaints from the ticket receiver.

Im sorry but I received a warning for not doing anything wrong and I want it removed asap and for Kaden to apologize.

When it becomes acceptable behavior for a mod or admin to pick and choose what they deem fit when clearly nothing wrong took place. Then this site becomes a place I dont want to be apart of.

[Victoria]

I'm sorry you feel that way, Psyren, but I have my own opinion and have been very opinionated for my entire time here . You were rude, and your comment wasn't needed. It was nothing but a personal opinion that could have been kept to yourself, and made it sound as if the entire conversation was pointless. That's how I feel, and no matter what any other staff may say, I believe a warning (and considering your apparent PM conversation with Kaden before) was justified.

I could say, "It's just a warning, get over it..."

But, that would be rude. C'est la vie. You more than likely won't get what you want. I'm 100% behind the issue, and as hard as it may be for you to accept, the staff know what they're doing.

[Kaden]

Contributing to a conversation as you did is subjective. I see "get over it" as distracting and disruptive to a conversation. You do not.

I feel like you were being disrespectful both to the people trying to actually discuss the topic and to me for doing exactly what you told me you would not, as I see it.

You feel like I'm just trying to abuse my power and pick on you.

Yes, I do have power within the context of this RPG and the forums it is on. The rules state, in multiple places, that staff have the final say. That means that it is, ultimately, up to our judgment when someone is warned or banned. It is, in most cases, a subjective process and, by its nature, that means that people are going to disagree about it.

I can quote posts and explain my points, but there is nothing I can say that will make you agree. You believe I'm being abusive and that is unfortunate, but I simply do not see it that way.

[Psyren]

Contributing to a conversation as you did is subjective. I see "get over it" as distracting and disruptive to a conversation. You do not.

I feel like you were being disrespectful both to the people trying to actually discuss the topic and to me for doing exactly what you told me you would not, as I see it.

You feel like I'm just trying to abuse my power and pick on you.

Yes, I do have power within the context of this RPG and the forums it is on. The rules state, in multiple places, that staff have the final say. That means that it is, ultimately, up to our judgment when someone is warned or banned. It is, in most cases, a subjective process and, by its nature, that means that people are going to disagree about it.

I can quote posts and explain my points, but there is nothing I can say that will make you agree. You believe I'm being abusive and that is unfortunate, but I simply do not see it that way.

Im sorry you feel that way. But I dont feel it is ok for a mod or admin to warn someone who hasn't done a single thing wrong. The fact remains.' Zero rules were broken. Yet your now pulling the " Im a Mod The rules say I can pick and choose all I want." You can quote posts an dpoints all day but the fact is there is no written hard rule for anything that happened. You know your action was unjustified and uncalled for.

Congratulations on successfully proving what was said about people viewing this site as elitist. I can see clearly why not.

I see that the warning wont be removed and I cant do anything about it and you get to walk away with a smile for abusing your authority.

You both have proved a point. The staff will always back up the staff whether they are right or wrong. You both know it was wrong and again the little lowlife member gets stepped on and bused.

[Kaden]

The staff do not back each other up blindly. Josh, the owner, has absolutely no problem reversing something I've done/said if he feels it was done unjustly. He's done so before.

We're here for the members, we would just be wasting our own time and effort if we did this for the sole purpose of abusing and belittling them.

[Josh]

I'm sorry Psyren, but I agree with Kaden's ruling on this issue. I understand you're frustrated over the warning, but trust me that Kaden is not laughing over this. None of the staff enjoy giving out warnings, because most of us consider Chubbs as a community of friends- so the distance between staff and member isn't that great.

[Psyren]

You know what. I give up I really do. You are never going to admit your wrong. And yes the staff do back each other up. And all Josh would say in this instance is " Psyren you were in the wrong warning stays". Even though no rule was broken.

I have let alot of stuff pass. Look at my history. Whenever I have done something wrong I have admitted it. Whenever I have been warned (Only once in my entire time on this site by ander) I accepted it and corrected the behavior of flame bating with Mal Nove.

It should worry you that a member with that kind of record feels extremely hurt and done wrong over something like this. Enough so that he is willing to show you over and over that nothing wrong was done and no rules were broken and is is ready to call it quits because this is just the way things are gonna stay on this site.

Im sorry but this kind of crap isnt something I can just over look.

[Victoria]

We can't list EVERYTHING in the rules. That's what admins are for. The Kame House has been, and always will be, a very fluid area where rules are up and down. I think we should all understand that. I know many times we thought of removing it because of situations like this. You're only making it worse by taking it personally. Take my advice, and take a step BACK from this, and calm down. This is just a warning...we barely warn people, unless it's warranted.

[Psyren]

This was not warranted in any way shape form or fashion.