Champions

[Tyr]

Yeah, I don't know why they did it. It always felt like it was supposed to be a one point wonder though. Leveling it always felt like a waste.

[Rafael]

Well damn. Early urgot+boots=sadface me

[Kaden]

I really enjoy playing Caitlyn. Corki's fun, but I usually find I have to pay too much attention to aiming skills and really focusing on where to fire and all that. Ashe is a little too mindless with only one skill you're really using on a regular basis and then the occasional arrow/hawkshot. Cait is a nice middle ground between those two.

Really need to work on a) getting her net to go where I want it to and b) knowing which walls I can/'t blink through with it.

[Rafael]

I'm with you there. Cait's my go-to if I need a ranged physical for mid, and I use Vayne if not. Zoning with traps ftw

[Kaden]

I need to practice some more Vayne. I feel like I just get way too reckless with her. Probably it's just from not really knowing her damage yet.

Really want them to release a new ranged dps, though. I like playing that role, but I'm getting tired of the ones that we have. Cait's still fun, but that won't last forever.

[Rafael]

Agreed. Wtb new Ranged carry and another mage with retarded mobility(Kass, Leblanc)

[Ashe]

Um, so... WTF? Yeah, went 1v1 top against Garen as Rumble earlier. Was not even close. He stayed in his creeps farming all lane AND zoned me completely on his own. His combo would nearly kill me every time if I tried to run and did kill me if I stayed (Ignite in there and ult). Fiddle comes up to help gank... He flashes onto me and spins, I drop my ult, Fiddle ults out of a bush. We're both full health. I die, Fiddle nearly dies, Garen walks out with 1/4 health before Amumu shows up to try to chase Fiddle. He didn't even try to run off either of our ults that were on top of each other. Same level.

We looked at his def stats and he had about 98 MR and Armor around level 8 or so. This was with his W not active. His gear? Brutalizer, Doran's Blade, Move 3 Boots. Might have finished a Ghostblade by then. I assume he ran mad def runes.

We get into team fights and Amumu ults while Garen zones, they start to get low and 3 of their team runs off. We all turn to focus Garen and found that Amumu was easier to kill. Garen tanked a team of 4 all the way from a fight in river near Baron to his second mid turret, with us slowing him every Flamethrower cd and fearing him every chance Fiddle could, as well as Skarner ulting him. Corki is all over him, yet not a fuck was given. Was fucking stupid.

I think the part that REALLY set me off was when he was running around with pure dps items but had higher def values than their Amumu that was building tank. Then Garen buys a Sunfire Cape in one shot and next trip back has GA.

[Kaden]

Yeah, the buff to his W was really stupid. They nerfed it, like, three patches in a row and then just decide that, yeah, its ok, people can have it back. If you take the W at level 1, you'll cap those defensive bonuses in no time. +25 Armor/MR at level 6 or 7? Sure. Why not? That sounds totally reasonable. Oh yeah, and you can still activate it for % reduction.

[Orion]

Indeed. It was pretty sub par before; you'd only take one rank to get the % reduction and not care about it until you leveled all your other skills. Now you do the same thing but for a totally different reason. I wonder what the thinking (if any) there was behind it.

[Ashe]

Indeed. It was pretty sub par before; you'd only take one rank to get the % reduction and not care about it until you leveled all your other skills. Now you do the same thing but for a totally different reason. I wonder what the thinking (if any) there was behind it.

Not just that, but they buffed the duration of his Q's extra move speed by another second, giving him essentially one more tick to his damage from a spin. Yet said "We didn't want to buff his damage, just his utility". The problem is that by giving him a longer duration on his run speed, he can stick to you longer during a spin while his W buff keeps him alive long enough to do it, then one quick ult for the kill and he runs out to let his passive heal him back to full by the time anyone gets there.

Add to this that if he DOES nearly die, he can straight run away from everyone so fast that you'd think he's Udyr or Nidalee.

[Josh]

Um, so... WTF? Yeah, went 1v1 top against Garen as Rumble earlier. Was not even close. He stayed in his creeps farming all lane AND zoned me completely on his own. His combo would nearly kill me every time if I tried to run and did kill me if I stayed (Ignite in there and ult). Fiddle comes up to help gank... He flashes onto me and spins, I drop my ult, Fiddle ults out of a bush. We're both full health. I die, Fiddle nearly dies, Garen walks out with 1/4 health before Amumu shows up to try to chase Fiddle. He didn't even try to run off either of our ults that were on top of each other. Same level.

We looked at his def stats and he had about 98 MR and Armor around level 8 or so. This was with his W not active. His gear? Brutalizer, Doran's Blade, Move 3 Boots. Might have finished a Ghostblade by then. I assume he ran mad def runes.

We get into team fights and Amumu ults while Garen zones, they start to get low and 3 of their team runs off. We all turn to focus Garen and found that Amumu was easier to kill. Garen tanked a team of 4 all the way from a fight in river near Baron to his second mid turret, with us slowing him every Flamethrower cd and fearing him every chance Fiddle could, as well as Skarner ulting him. Corki is all over him, yet not a fuck was given. Was fucking stupid.

I think the part that REALLY set me off was when he was running around with pure dps items but had higher def values than their Amumu that was building tank. Then Garen buys a Sunfire Cape in one shot and next trip back has GA.

At level 8 with Ghost blade, this is probably the stats he was rocking. They are my planned build once I get all the proper runes.

9.25 MR per lvl + 25 from his W + 30 base MR + 10.8 MR per lvl blues + 6 Masteries

81.05 MR

12.69 ARM yellows + 19 base ARM + 25 from his W + 21.6 Arm per lvl + 6 masteries

84.29 ARM

14.4 ARM Pen red + 9.99 ARM Pen Quint + 6 Masteries + 20 Ghostblade

50.39 ARM Pen

You probably didn't even have 50 armor yet at that point, so you and fiddle might as well have been taking true damage from Garen.

[Tyr]

At level 8 with Ghost blade, this is probably the stats he was rocking. They are my planned build once I get all the proper runes.

9.25 MR per lvl + 25 from his W + 30 base MR + 10.8 MR per lvl blues + 6 Masteries

81.05 MR

12.69 ARM yellows + 19 base ARM + 25 from his W + 21.6 Arm per lvl + 6 masteries

84.29 ARM

14.4 ARM Pen red + 9.99 ARM Pen Quint + 6 Masteries + 20 Ghostblade

50.39 ARM Pen

You probably didn't even have 50 armor yet at that point, so you and fiddle might as well have been taking true damage from Garen.

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Yoinks! Build stolen!

[Kaden]

I suggest some CDR on your runes for Garen, actually. Between the passive armor/MR on his W and the active damage reduction, he doesn't need to rune for defense as much and CDR will increase both his offense and defense by a sizable amount.

[Josh]

I suggest some CDR on your runes for Garen, actually. Between the passive armor/MR on his W and the active damage reduction, he doesn't need to rune for defense as much and CDR will increase both his offense and defense by a sizable amount.

Nah, Ghostblade give enough CDR

[Kaden]

It's also expensive.

[Josh]

It's also expensive.

It is but you get it pretty quickly. I guess you could remove the quints for for CDR, but that's about it you need the blues for MR.

My item grab is usually dorans blade - > boots - > brutalizer -> move speed 3 boots -> chainmail -> negatron -> ghost blade - > whatever armor I need.

Edit you can also just grab a kindlegem early on, and build it into spirit visage. Health is always OP on Garen.

[Tyr]

So does anyone know when Grez gets to design his champion?

[Kaden]

So does anyone know when Grez gets to design his champion?

Short version: he doesn't.

Long version: the prize was phrased in a very misleading manner. The intention, apparently, was never to let someone design their own champion, but just let them into the design process on a champion who was already in development. They didn't really say what level of involvement they'll get or when the champion they work on will be released or anything like that, but a lot of people were pretty disappointed when Riot made that... clarification.

It is but you get it pretty quickly. I guess you could remove the quints for for CDR, but that's about it you need the blues for MR.

My item grab is usually dorans blade - > boots - > brutalizer -> move speed 3 boots -> chainmail -> negatron -> ghost blade - > whatever armor I need.

Edit you can also just grab a kindlegem early on, and build it into spirit visage. Health is always OP on Garen.

That's not going to be a quick Ghostblade While Garen does need defensive stats, the point of using scaling runes is so you don't have to itemize the stat they give you. You're using runes and items and a passive to build defensive stats and that's definitely overkill. You'll get more out of CDR blues than you will scaling MR blues with the build you want to go.

[Ashe]

This just in - Fuck Garen. Really. Fuck Garen.

[Rafael]

^ This