The RIOT Act

[Kaden]

You can't expect people to stop fighting just so an Ashe ca n get the final blow do you?

Depends on the champion. If it's a tank or support, then yeah I do expect that from competent player.

If it's a bruiser or AP carry, then it's not a big deal.

EDIT: It's never a "big deal," really, but if we're talking about a team consciously trying to optimize the gold they get, then yes that's what I expect.

[Jonathan Meer]

A support taric should not, for example, flash in to steal a kill from an Ashe.

BUT, if you have reason to doubt that the carry will be able to wrap up the kill, jump in and secure that mofo. Don't let a kill get away. Only give it to the carry if it's pretty damn obvious that the mofo is going down.

[Anzekay]

Stop chasing that Singed who is a tad faster than you and you're on less than half hp, even if he's at like 300hp!

Even more so if you're chasing him while there's still fighting going on back where you first fought him.

[Mal Nova]

Pssssh.... he's fleeing and cowardly.... Smash his ass =D

[Anzekay]

That's what he wants you to do.

[Mal Nova]

Hextech..... it works wonders against Singed>_>

[John Doe]

Hate: Losing game after game due to uncontrollable characters.

Hate: There's absolutely fuck all I can do about it. My LoL experience is just going to be dicks for the rest of my college career. That's fucking wonderful.

So I must bid this forum adieu!

[Piper Juunanagou]

Hextech..... it works wonders against Singed>_>

How about a drink?

On topic... Riot @ lack of Pumpkin Head Fiddlesticks. Riot @ Graves for being stupid ridiculous.

[Kaden]

Buckshot needs to scale off of Bonus AD, not total. The 35% reduction per-bullet could probably be upped to 40~45%, too.

Other than tweaking numbers on his Q, though, I like it. The kit is a lot of fun and there's a lot of good stuff you can do with it. His range isn't great and I think people will learn to use that against him, but in the meantime, it's the standard case of "wtf how do I deal with this bullshit?"

[Josh]

Buckshot needs to scale off of Bonus AD, not total. The 35% reduction per-bullet could probably be upped to 40~45%, too.

Other than tweaking numbers on his Q, though, I like it. The kit is a lot of fun and there's a lot of good stuff you can do with it. His range isn't great and I think people will learn to use that against him, but in the meantime, it's the standard case of "wtf how do I deal with this bullshit?"

His Q is off bonus ad

[Rafael]

All I know is I've seen squishier folks lose half health taking that to the face early game, and his ult does crazy, crazy damage.

[Kaden]

His Q is off bonus ad

Leaguecraft read ".8 per point of attack damage" and that sounded like total to me.

They need to reduce the per-bullet damage, then. His burst is hilariously strong.

[Ashe]

Yes, we need to be more open to switching.

That said, the above quote does not mean "I'M LEAVING THIS LANE SO SOMEONE ELSE NEEDS TO GO TO IT" and that's what needs to be said. Don't hint at it, don't allude to it, don't maybe suggest it. Just fucking do it.

Jarka is not the only for whom this has been a problem. DO NOT BE SUBTLE ABOUT SWITCHING LANES. BE AS BLUNT AS POSSIBLE.

Agree with this.

[Jonathan Meer]

Context: In a recent game, I'm midding as Caitlyn against another Caitlyn. Enemy Caitlyn switches to top with Katarina. Ashe and Alex are laning top as Kassadin and Singed respectively. Laning phase goes on for about 5-8 minutes, where I've zoned Katarina out entirely, and have gotten twice as much cs as her, and twice as much cs as anyone else on the enemy team. Around here, Ashe says 'Maybe we should switch just to flip around their switch.'

I mention that I'm ahead on cs, that I'm doing very well in my lane, and I point out that for all the ruckus on top, they're about equal in cs with the other team, and haven't died much, so it's not exactly unequal. The AD carry is getting farmed well and above the enemy team, this is a good thing. Nothing more is said.

The game goes to shit, bot lane starts dying a lot, top lane starts dying a lot, and the game basically ends, and in the post-game wrap-up, it is made subtly passive-aggressively clear by Tim that the fault is mine, that the timid not-really-a-suggestion should have been followed, that we lost because of it.

This is why Ashe agrees with that post.

[Ashe]

Everything, no matter what it is said, must get turned into something stupid. There's no mature way to respond to anything it seems.

Context: In a recent game, I'm midding as Caitlyn against another Caitlyn. Enemy Caitlyn switches to top with Katarina. Ashe and Alex are laning top as Kassadin and Singed respectively. Laning phase goes on for about 5-8 minutes, where I've zoned Katarina out entirely, and have gotten twice as much cs as her, and twice as much cs as anyone else on the enemy team. Around here, Ashe says 'Maybe we should switch just to flip around their switch.'

I mention that I'm ahead on cs, that I'm doing very well in my lane, and I point out that for all the ruckus on top, they're about equal in cs with the other team, and haven't died much, so it's not exactly unequal. The AD carry is getting farmed well and above the enemy team, this is a good thing. Nothing more is said.

The game goes to shit, bot lane starts dying a lot, top lane starts dying a lot, and the game basically ends, and in the post-game wrap-up, it is made subtly passive-aggressively clear by Tim that the fault is mine, that the timid not-really-a-suggestion should have been followed, that we lost because of it.

This is why Ashe agrees with that post.

I agreed with that post because it is accurate. I am 100% at fault for not pushing harder to switch when you dug your heels in and informed us that you liked your lane comp better this way since "you were the carry and getting more farmed". I disagreed with the logic, but absolutely didn't feel like arguing with you, because that's never a worthwhile use of anyone's time.

So I was thinking about it afterwards and came to the conclusion that yes, I should have pushed harder for the switch when I realized we were both getting zoned and pushed hard by the Caitlyn. I recognized and said this within 30 seconds of her getting to lane, and you've adamantly insisted that not only was it "5-8 minutes later" but that they were "completely even on cs and getting no kills for it", which I later told you I disagreed with. This was when you started getting hostile with everyone, making sure to frequently call everyone out on every play they made while gloating at how your cs was super high and you dominated your lane, but we "were doing ok in our lanes for a while" (note - we were recalling nearly every time we got to the lane until she and Malphite pushed down our turret, that's the only reason we weren't dying at first, and they got a couple of levels ahead of us after that while completely denying us xp, using that advantage to free farm while we could do nothing about it) "until we started dying and feeding them", reminding us that "their cs is bad, but they are up on kills now because you keep dying, play better".

Every time you decided to make sure we knew that "you dominated your lane and we all fed, that's why we lost", I started to defend myself, watched you go even more hostile and troll mode, and gave up, which you THEN HAD TO COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL. Then I made a post that was not specially intended to antagonize you (despite knowing you'd read it that way), agreeing as it was an accurate statement that applied to that game, which is why I made the post, not so that you could run in and make this a thing by again throwing around how good you were and how we all ruined your game.

If you want to make sure everyone knows that you were going to super carry that game, then ok. I'll take 100% of the blame for not pushing harder for a lane switch instead of seeing how it was going to go. I knew the snowball effect was building, but my lack of confidence in said recognition (I hesitated, and shouldn't have) lead to the disproportion growing out of hand. I strongly suspected that scenario and when I recognized it, my self doubt caused me to second guess that maybe I could gear my way out of the issue (despite never being able to last hit anything to buy said gear).

If your perspective is that "I was totally dominating but then all you guys starting going full retard", then that's fine. Let it rest there (and I know you laughed, because you think me agreeing that we - read: ME TOO - should easier recognize and react to lane switches is instead me taking a shot at you, because that's what its always about, so 'obviously' I made the post just to bait you /s). But my perspective is that a lane switch, and perhaps repeatedly adjusting if they kept changing it, would have tremendously helped. The end result is that we both agree that I was in the wrong there. I'll use that to improve from.

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Here's where I made my mistake:

Scenario: Lane starts with me going top as Kassadin with Singed. I request to go with Singed so I can get some farm while Singed zones, then he can hold his own while I roam for ganks. We have their Caitlyn go mid against Weemus on Cait, and our top lane is against a Katarina and Malphite. For the first two levels, it seems to be ideal. Weemus is handling mid fine (to my knowledge), and Katarina keeps trying to trade her blades with my Q, which is a bad trade. Then I hit level two and get Force Pulse, which her ability spamming starts charging a lot, allowing me to get it active more to try to farm a bit with while Singed threatens to toss her into Q range.

She recalls at low health, but goes to mid instead, with Cait coming top with Malphite. As soon as she arrives, she goes Q into Headshot proc and just shreds me. After that, the fact that she's not using abilities that often (keeping my Force Pulse from charging) while right click poking me everytime I go for a last hit (leaving her totally uncaring to my silence, which didn't trade as hard as her response). Malphite was fairly durable, so then they both poke me every chance they can with their Qs. I get to where I can't last hit anything, even at the tower, due to her range.

Mid goes somewhat well, with Katarina trading kills back and forth with Weemus, mostly even, but with Weemus getting the upper hand on farm.

I should have asked for the lane change as SOON as I recognize that Cait was going to control that lane, and I didn't. I let her hang around long enough to establish dominance while putting both Singed and I out of contention to be able to change lanes ourselves without feeding the other lane from being too far behind.

That was my fault.

Weemus, I even mentioned this in the post-game chat (telling them "Nice lane swap, it worked out great for you guys" and discussing why, with them agreeing), and you took THE FACT THAT I WAS DISCUSSING IT and me trying to attack you TOO.

Actually deleted stuff from this post, because despite it being exceeding long since I'm frustrated, there are things that I don't even feel like saying. No good would come from any of it, so what's the point?

[Jonathan Meer]

Wasn't going into troll mode. Wasn't parading my superior cs. When people wanted to surrender or claimed the game was over, I pointed out that I was getting well-farmed, that if we could hold the lanes we'd be fine, etc. Didn't have a moment to review in detail each of the other lanes at the moment.

Your passive-aggression is very annoying, and it's also annoying that you expect to sneak it out there without any response whatsoever. It's a common theme; you turtle up the moment it's addressed bluntly. So from here on out, I'm just going to blunt at all of your passive-aggression, whether it be here or in mumble.

And the intent is not to be braggadocious, but it would be too droll to write out the justification.

[Ashe]

Wasn't going into troll mode. Wasn't parading my superior cs. When people wanted to surrender or claimed the game was over, I pointed out that I was getting well-farmed, that if we could hold the lanes we'd be fine, etc. Didn't have a moment to review in detail each of the other lanes at the moment.

Your passive-aggression is very annoying, and it's also annoying that you expect to sneak it out there without any response whatsoever. It's a common theme; you turtle up the moment it's addressed bluntly. So from here on out, I'm just going to blunt at all of your passive-aggression, whether it be here or in mumble.

And the intent is not to be braggadocious, but it would be too droll to write out the justification.

Haha, ok. So I was just being passive-aggressive that whole time, and in doing so, I even went so far as to set up this elaborate setting where I was actively engaging in discussion with the other team to get their opinion regarding the lane switch (note: I never mentioned anything about you when discussing this with them), and then came here with a clever ploy to hide the fact that you totally called me out on it (as well as everyone else on our bad play). That's absolutely why I made my post. All that shit about me making a mistake on a call and acknowledging it? It was all this big ruse to take a sneaky shot at you but unfortunately you saw right through it, so now I have to back pedal.

While I will immediately admit that I am a very passive aggressive person (such as the above sarcasm), your perception of such passive-aggression is just on another level. The above few posts are just absolutely a waste of anyone's time, and all because "Tim made a post that we need to be more open to lane switches JUST TO TAKE A SHOT AT ME." Look at it. No one took ANY offense whatsoever at Kaden posting what I quoted. It was openly agreed with. I quoted it after a relevant match and typed the following: "Agree with this."

Your interpretation is that it was clearly dripping with so much contempt and passive-aggression and I was absolutely taking a shot at you (but leaving the name and details entirely up to everyone's imagination). Three words. "Agree with this." It didn't matter what I had said, how I worded it, or anything else. When dealing with you on mumble lately, you appear to have just straight decided that anything anyone does in game or that I say is clearly intended in the absolute worst manner possible and then we spend all of the rest of the game arguing about it (and now on the forum).

So go ahead and step it up and call me out every time you perceive passive-aggression. If that's what you feel will help not make stupid situations like this overly blown out of proportion and overly dramatic, then whatever. Shit like this is EXACTLY why I don't even bother posting anymore. I don't bother posting (in this thread and similar), I don't bother getting on LoL, I don't bother getting on Mumble, because of shit like this. I've been arguing with myself lately about just throwing my hands up and saying "I'm fucking done with it". Stupid fucking drama. Over three fucking words.

Unbelievable. I'm going to bed, dude.

[Anzekay]

Just play LoL with me, Ashe, I almost never get upset!

[Tyr]

Just play LoL with me, Ashe, I almost never get upset!

Just don't ask about his jungling routines!

[Rafael]

speaking of jungling... Jungle fiddlesticks, failed miserably