LoM2 - Day Three

[Ashe]

The next team battle proved to be an interesting one. Multiple skirmishes took place, with lots of abilities being used. One thing was for sure, everyone really wanted this victory. Interestingly, the people who died during this fight were not the people who they were expecting.

"WTF NOOB? WE SAID TO FOCUS DOWN THAT GUY, WTF DID THEY JUST ESCAPE AND SOMEONE ELSE GET KILLED?"

"I can only hit whoever's in range, moron. Do a better job enabling."

"/all GG TEAM SUCKS WAITING FOR 20"

"lol, we're 35 min in right now, noob"

"UR MOM IS 35 MIN IN RIGHT NOW, FGT"

So much rage.

"Don't worry guys, I got this. He's recalling in this bush..."

"Wait, dude, back, BACK" someone typed repeatedly, but it was too late.

Viktor stepped onto the obvious trap that Caitlyn had laid, stopping him just short of range and allowing the other player to recall.

"Vad (Viktor): OH COME ON."

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1 - Kaden
2 - John Doe
3 - Tyr
4 - Vad
5 - Rafael
6 - Mal Nova (T)
7 - Rose
8 - Kole T. Merr
9 - Waffuru
10 - Keiko Brykein

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Vad has triggered Caitlyn's trap, revealing himself to be Viktor!

It is now Day Phase. You have roughly 24 hours from this post.

9 Players Remain!

[John Doe]

Lynch Keiko

How interesting that nobody died tonight. I would have killed me or Rose, but I guess the mafia thought Rose wouldn't get another chance to use his powers and that nobody really trusted me? GOOD! I wanted to stay in the game another day >=D

This is where I enter uncharted territory. I stopped playing LoL when Victor became a champ. I don't even know what he does.

Trusting me or not, I'm LeBlanc, Rose is WW, Keiko is Swain (and likely Mafia), Vad is Victor, and I guess Kaden is Caitlyn? My theroy is that Soraka is also Mafia, whoever that might be...

Oh, and Mal is still dead.

HAHAHAHAHA

Edit: Kaden might actually be Shaco, since I just remembered that he was in this game, though I had the impression that Shaco was Raf. Why am I even revealing all this?

[Rafael]

Lynch Keiko

Soraka is almost guaranteed Mafia, might even be Keiko herself. Let's just get this whole rose/ww thing settled already

[Waffuru]

Thar seems to be some scurvy dogs on board, me hearties! Ain't ya bilge rats gonna find one to swab the poop deck?! Time to see ye hangin' from the yardarm!

[Kaden]

I'm Caitlyn. Like I said, I have an investigative power. It's conditional in ways that I'd prefer to not expose at the moment, but yeah. There's Vad's character.

Viktor is a mage who has an AoE stun, a robot arm that shoots a laser, a nuke that returns a shield to him based on damage dealt, and an ult that's a cloud of AoE DoT that you can move around and it does a silence on cast. His passive is getting an item that he can upgrade in the shop to buff one of his abilities. No idea if any of that will be relevant, but there ya go.

Trusting me or not, I'm LeBlanc, Rose is WW, Keiko is Swain (and likely Mafia), Vad is Victor, and I guess Kaden is Caitlyn?

That's still 100% trusting you. Of those, only Vad is 100%. Keiko is only Swain if we believe Rose, same goes for him being Warwick. Likewise, you're only LeBlanc if we believe you and I'm only Caitlyn if people believe me.

[Kaden]

Lynch Keiko

I agree with Raf. Best thing to do it just see if Rose was telling the truth.

EDIT: If Rose ends up telling the truth, then Soraka is guaranteed mafia.

[Waffuru]

Well blow me down! Guess we'll be using ye for chum!

Lynch Keiko

[Tyr]

Lynch Keiko

Needless delay fer nothin'!

[Super Buu]

I smell smell nose smell sinus.

Lynch Keiko

[Kole T. Merr]

From what I can tell, either a) the mafia tried to kill Kaden last night, but Caitlyn's trap stopped it (possibly stopping the first person that comes against him with a night action...like a mafia kill) or b) for the second LoM game in a row, the mafia has just decided NOT to kill someone.

If a is true, wouldn't it appear that Vad is mafia? Since there was no other information given about night actions being stopped, it is the only explanation that seems to make sense to me. Am I wrong, or when someone is "saved" from a mafia kill by some sort of doctor role, do we usually get that information?

[Kaden]

Traditionally, we've been informed of a doctor save.

[Tyr]

I believe there's usually a hint dropped at the character saving them without giving the role away, at least that's the way the other games have been.

[Vad]

I'm Viktor. I'm a towns person. I tried to use my Night Ability last night, but it was prevented by a Caitlyn trap.

[Kole T. Merr]

Lynch Vad

[Kaden]

That's interesting...

If we're convinced that Keiko is mafia, and that there's more than one member of the mafia this game (a reasonable assumption), then lynching her this day isn't going to win the game.

If Vad's suspected of being mafia, being able to kill him while he didn't have a chance to use his Night Ability could be beneficial and then we can lynch Keiko the following day while I Trap her during the Night to keep her during the Night. A potential two-for-one, as it were, if they're both mafia.

[Super Buu]

I do slightly suspect Vad, somewhat based on the way he responded to my "Vad is bad at mafia" post yesterday. I also still suspect Rafael. However, for all we know, Vad could be investigative or protective and you could easily still be Caitlyn as mafia, with your ability working as a kind of red herring to trap anyone that uses an ability on you.

Also, my position as Warwick is still in doubt until Keiko's mafia status is confirmed, which would seriously help because it would let people use my power as a guaranteed investigative tool (assuming mafia let me live that long, although there may be a doctor that can protect me).

Based on Viktor's nature as a character though, he leans more towards 'killing' and so I'm inclined to think it's more likely he's mafia than not, though he could be the 'vigilante' townie. It would also explain why there was no mafia kill. It would certainly help alleviate either suspicion if people were to tell the full use of their abilities - like I said when I revealed myself as Warwick, everyone here has a power and so revealing the nature of that power is not as big a deal as in a normal mafia game if you really are a townie.

I mean for you Kaden, you've said you can 'trap' Keiko in the night to stop her using her ability, but given it's nature it doesn't seem like something you could so simply target. You said previously it was somehow conditional - and while it could very well be for a good reason that you're not saying why, it could also be just a route to future bullshitting, as well as a way of letting Keiko live another night. I mean, her power is to cancel out other powers, and it still has another use, so in theory it should be able to cancel your trap. Sniff.

We're also not convinced Keiko is mafia, besides me. A lot rides on that.

[Keiko Brykein]

I'm not Mafia, but if you guys think that it is best to kill me to be sure, so be it.
After all, being that I miraculously didn't die during the day, and that the night was safe, we are still technically at day 2.

With that being said, I do have my suspicions as well. The whole, "Lynch Keiko" movement was started by one person who claimed to have secret info they had gained through their abilities. I am not saying that that person is, or is not Mafia. I'm just saying that is a good way to divert attention. On a Side note, that is a lot of information for to gain with an ability; Champ Name, Ability, and Faction. That just seems like a lot to me. I wasn't involved in the last LOM, but from what I read, nothing seemed that specific.

Not to point fingers or anything but,

Lynch Rose

[Kaden]

I mean for you Kaden, you've said you can 'trap' Keiko in the night to stop her using her ability, but given it's nature it doesn't seem like something you could so simply target. You said previously it was somehow conditional - and while it could very well be for a good reason that you're not saying why, it could also be just a route to future bullshitting, as well as a way of letting Keiko live another night. I mean, her power is to cancel out other powers, and it still has another use, so in theory it should be able to cancel your trap. Sniff.

The condition is that the person I target uses a Night Ability. If they don't use one, or simply don't have one, it does nothing. That's the condition. It has nothing to do with me being targeted.

Assuming Keiko's ability is to shut down people (still just have your word to go) and we both targeted each other, I assume that either the first person who sent in the PM or Keiko would get priority (since we're assuming she's on limited uses).

My ability isn't super investigative, but still a bit more reliable than, say, Warwick's from last game, when paired with the rest of the information we've given.

I don't think calling on a character's "flavor" is a good idea for you, Rose. Look at the characters that have been confirmed and look at how they "align:"

Warwick - Mad scientist who was cursed for offending the heavens and is now a murderous, rampaging beast.
LeBlanc - Her entire character is built around deceiving people and just kind of being a bitch.
Caitlyn - A sheriff. Hunts bad guys.
Soraka - Goddess who heals and protects people.
Swain - Fairly evil general of a fairly evil, and very militaristic nation.
Viktor - Fairly mad-scientistic who started turning himself into a robot-man.

Of the people who have declared who their character is, I'm the only who's character isn't just outright portrayed as a villain. That's a really, really bad way of looking at things, I think. Knowing Ashe, my assumption is that he just threw everything into random.org and people got what they got.

I also find it interesting how Doe basically got Mal killed and no one has said anything about it. If his ability is the same as the last game's LeBlanc, then cloning someone who he knows isn't mafia and then murdering himself (which ends up killing Zilean instead because of the clone) is a great way to deflect suspicion.

Anyway, I'm off to work. =(

[John Doe]

Pre Post Edit: Kaden posted before I could finish this post so just assume that I posted at the exact same time he did.

I'm convinced of Keiko's guilt for a few reasons, but mainly because it was my plan for a WW type player to get information on Day 1 while at the same time ensuring their safety by bluffing being the very champ getting that info and/or being loud and obnoxious as I usually am anyway. It worked regardless, and Mal died (HAHAHAHAHA) because they targeted me (LeBlanc, btw) so I totes believe what Rose is saying.

I would not have been so adamant about lynching Keiko if she offered more than what she's said so far, which is jack shit. She neither confirms nor denies Rose's accusations and seems more resolved to her inevitable fate of lynching. I remember the first mafia game we played on Chubbs. When I was about to be lynched by Waff and his politician's campaign against me, I kind of gave up (because I was mafia and there wasn't anything I could do to stop a rather flashy bullshit approach to lynching based on nothing at all) like it seems she's doing now. If Rose's power had targeted somebody like Kaden or Meer (he's not in this game but you know he'd be vocal) then they would defend themselves because they are familiar with the game's working on this forum and are used to using rhetoric to sway opinions to their favor. Keiko's new to the game, and by saying nothing makes her more suspicious to me, and at the same time makes me trust Rose's information.

I'd believe me being LeBlanc and also being a townie based solely on what happened Day 1 and the GM's description of Night 1. Out of everyone in the game, you can trust the GM (Ashe) and what he says. And he said LeBlanc was targeted by the Mafia (vaguely, but you can imply it) and that, through the use of some ability, escaped death and passed on the killing blow to Zilean (Mal [HAHAHAHAHA]). I'm a member of the town, and I want the town to win. I don't want to say that by distrusting me or by smearing anything and everything I say makes you Mafia, but it seems rather suspicious that you'd distrust somebody who was said (by the guy running the game) to have been targeted for death at night (and unless you are assuming roles, only the mafia processes such an ability to do so).

What I think, from what I've remembered reading and from what the GM has said about Night 2, is that Kaden (Caitlyn) or Vad (Victor) is definitely mafia. It can't be both. Kaden has been very hesitant to lynch Keiko both today and the previous day phase, despite being the most reasonable choice to go on. I also find it strange how he claims to have an investigative power but hasn't used it until last night. It seems more reactionary or triggered than an active ability, like a few people have suggested. It seems more likely that Vad was trying to use his power on Kaden, but Caitlyn's power prevented him from doing that and instead revealed him. It seems like a very forgiving version of the "Grandma with Shotgun" role that everyone seems to be giving to the mafia.

On the flip side, Vad has been... Vad. His erratic and outrageous claims backed up by hunch and hot gas make him stand out for sure, and his distrust of me and Rose seems to further that. Likewise, Kaden could totally be a "Grandma with Shotgun" role that reveals instead of kills for the townie side, and Vad was a mafia member trying to kill him which was prevented by the Caitlyn trap. Both of these scenarios seems highly likely to me, but I don't know which one to stick to. I'll leave it up to the rest of you to dissect my ramblings and point out what flaws you see so that we can gather more information and shit.

[John Doe]

I'm not Mafia, but if you guys think that it is best to kill me to be sure, so be it.
After all, being that I miraculously didn't die during the day, and that the night was safe, we are still technically at day 2.

With that being said, I do have my suspicions as well. The whole, "Lynch Keiko" movement was started by one person who claimed to have secret info they had gained through their abilities. I am not saying that that person is, or is not Mafia. I'm just saying that is a good way to divert attention. On a Side note, that is a lot of information for to gain with an ability; Champ Name, Ability, and Faction. That just seems like a lot to me. I wasn't involved in the last LOM, but from what I read, nothing seemed that specific.

Not to point fingers or anything but,

Lynch Rose

It was actually that specific, and justified because of the nature and conditions to be able to use such a power. The sad fact is that your lynch is the best way to retrieve information right now. If Rose is right and you are both Swain and Mafia, then he becomes trustworthy of his ability and Raf gets called into question. Likewise, if you are not Mafia, we learn that Rose was lying and we know he is Mafia. There's a bunch of other scenarios that could happen as well, such as Rose could be Warwick AND Mafia and is throwing Keiko on the fire to get in better with the town, which would also make Raf's statement correct. There's so much to gain from your death, regardless of your faction.

Thems the bricks.