The Nova Project.

[Jonathan Meer]

And yeah. I was pretty much ready to surrender at the loading screen when I saw you had Yi. Ez theme is supes pretty though

[Mal Nova]

So I've been playing Ashe a bit. And a little bit of Trist. Only in bot games when i get a chance,

The builds suggested for Trist though, seem weird as crap. Why is it they dont really suggest getting her Q maxed till last? And why not getting any early AS other then the AS boots?

[Jonathan Meer]

http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=10407

That guide will answer all your questions. Read it.

[Kaden]

The builds suggested for Trist though, seem weird as crap. Why is it they dont really suggest getting her Q maxed till last? And why not getting any early AS other then the AS boots?

Ignore the suggested items for Trist. They're awful. Max W, then Q, then E.

[Mal Nova]

@Meer... You know I swear I read an outdated one by him. Glad you could find that for me.

I've Never used LW before in my life or QSS.

But maybe I can work on it. That Heal... Buggs me but I'll give it a try lol.

@Kaden yeah I was just reading the Build Chaox made for the new stuff... Seems pretty helpful./ Just not sure why I couldnt find it.

[Jonathan Meer]

It was really easy, I just went to solomid.net guides and clicked 'Tristana'

[Mal Nova]

The one I found was for the old masteries>_>

[Jonathan Meer]

When you click on a champion's name on the Guide page, you may get a list of guides, as they tend to have more than one guide for a champion. On that page, the time since the last update is indicated. Guides with a lower number for this value are more likely to be up-to-date than guides with a higher number for this value.

EDIT: I've taken the liberty of marking this number in red.

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[Mal Nova]

So I took Ashe into a regular normal game. 0/6/0 and we lost not long after the 20 minute mark.

I was laned against Teemo and Varus and for my partner, was a roaming Mundo. They all pretty much spoke spanish... but I could notice just about every word having something foul or negative in...

Reason I decided to do it was cuz we only had Ahri as range =/

[Vad]

Ashe is uber squishy. Need to stay back and pick off minions for the majority of early game. Then you initiate with your ult and let your excessive attack power rip people new assholes.

[Kaden]

The problem with Ashe is that she doesn't have excessive attack power. She's super item dependent and in a lane where you can't farm (when you're lane-mate is constantly roaming and you're against two champs who can freely harass with no fear of counter-attack, as was Mal's case) then you really bring very little to your team other than initiation. Granted, initiation isn't a bad thing to bring, but when you do virtually no damage, you can easily bait your team into starting a fight that's really bad for them.

Tristana is actually my recommendation for learning to play ranged. Because her Q is such a massive steroid, you can go into a fight with only a couple damage items and still do a lot. Her rocket jump/ult combo does insane damage when you're in-lane, making it pretty easy to snag a free kill here or there. She's also just incredibly safe (try ganking someone who can blink two screens and knock you back a third).

Graves is a good one for pretty much all the same reasons Trist is. Even without farm he has a steroid and very substantial burst. His passive is also complete bullshit, making it really easy to trade damage with an opponent profitably.

Sivir's another pretty good one, with her ult as a steroid, easy harass on the Q and AA reset for extra deeps on her W. Spell Shield isn't remotely as safe as Tristana, but it's still more than Ashe has.

[Mal Nova]

Hmmm I'll prolly test Trist out in a normal in a bit.


Scared to though, cuz and when I get nervous I want to run to Nasus, I just need to feel her out a bit more and learn a lot more on situations.

Playing Ashe, I actually bit my tongue. I shoulda said I was new to her for PVP when i started. And I almost said it even after seeing so much hispanic foul language. But they all bugged me, so i said nada till i was annoyed and told them to blow me at the end of the game.

I should have announced that I was new to PVP with her... But It was a bad expereince. And even though I lost... It was a good experience.

I can suck and learn something from a game.
What I learned:

Mundo isn't a bad ass Until a certain level and if shut down early....AJHAHAHAHAH

Ashe cant solo a Teemo and a Varus. I tihnk soloing one of them is bad enough.

It was a bad match up to begin with. But I took it as a chance to learn... and they only spoke english when they wanted to call me a noob. Lol

You guys were playing the proving grounds last night. I wasnt about to try it especially with my 2 ranges.


Also I dont own Graves. I'm more focusing on Runes then Champs atm.


Edit:I'll put a list of my Champs in the OP when i get a chance.

[Kaden]

Graves is, imo, a pretty ridiculous champion. Crazy base-damage burst, sustained DPS, lots of free stats that are quite good, and he scales insanely well.

Just because we're talking about ranged champs, I'll say that Draven is probably the strongest scaling champion they've ever released (I'm ignoring Nasus and Veigar, shut up). In terms of pure numbers, he scales absurdly well. It takes alot alot alot of skill to put that into practice, but the potential is there.

[Mal Nova]

I always thought Draven was AP

[Kaden]

Hellz nah.

Ranged AD. He's actually a ton of fun to play once you've got a good feel for all the base mechanics.

[Maruset]

Random Draven question: I've seen pretty much zero people play him at all. Can enemies see his little juggling rings and shoot shit at them?

[Kaden]

Yes, they can see where his axe will return.

The payout is worth the risk, though.

[Mal Nova]

So is this viable on Nasus in a real game?

Doran Sheild>Merctreads>Sheen into Trinity> BT> BT> BT> GIants Belt,,Not sure what they were gonna turn it into but yeah.. Is it viable?

[Jonathan Meer]

Seems to me you'd get far more out of straight tank items and CDR than stacking BTs.

[Mal Nova]

I had to ask. I saw a guy do it in a bot game when i was Jax while doing WotD. I dont know his runes... But I'm still looking for a Nasus build better then the Tanky Build. I've seen it once... Just didnt Screenshot it