Nintindo Revolution!

[The Not Cool Not Tapion]

It's coming. If you just watched G4 or are currently, they are showing E3 live this week. The special just ended but they showed the new Nintindo console and it's all black and pretty slim, it's sweet.

Also, you can download and play ANY Nintindo game every made and play it on the console. Pwnage over the other consoles and the new Zelda is coming out with it.

[Ruhiel]

Nintendo just got a plus in my book. But I just about cried when I saw the graphics that the PS3 had. If Nintendo pulls of graphics that good, and this Revolution has enough power, Nintendo just made the biggest comeback in the world.

Zelda is going to smash every other (new) game out of the water.

[The Not Cool Not Tapion]

Halo 3 wont be out for the new Xbox right away, they announced that but Killzone 2 is getting a lot of hype right now. They showed a preview of MGS4 and it was cool as shit. They made it like a western movie and like six gaurds saw Snake and he ran with them chasing him. Then after a little bit he stopped and turned around and smiled and it was like a REALLY EVIL smile. It was creepy. But then he pulled out a huge gun and started shooting them.

Ghost Recon 3 made me change pants. The graphics are sweet and they changed the layout during gameplay to make it look even better.

I wanna go there!

[Kami]

Anyone ever play Red Dead Revolover? That game was fcking sexy.

[Hellfighter 17]

Originally posted by Tapion
Halo 3 wont be out for the new Xbox right away, they announced that but Killzone 2 is getting a lot of hype right now. They showed a preview of MGS4 and it was cool as shit. They made it like a western movie and like six gaurds saw Snake and he ran with them chasing him. Then after a little bit he stopped and turned around and smiled and it was like a REALLY EVIL smile. It was creepy. But then he pulled out a huge gun and started shooting them.

Ghost Recon 3 made me change pants. The graphics are sweet and they changed the layout during gameplay to make it look even better.

I wanna go there!

Isn't it that if they sell less than 10 million copies of teh next XBox then they will release Halo, 3, but if they sell more, they don't release it, and if they sell exactly 10 million copies, I win my five dollars bac. =/

Red Read Revolver sucked hardcore.

[Raditzu]

Originally posted by Recoome
The 'download all last nintendo game' wont mean anything to the big time gamers

Then apparently you don't know who the 'big time gamers' are. The ones that are shelling out the big bucks are the 'older people' who actually have jobs and an income. These are the same people that were around during the golden age of gaming, when the SNES was at its prime and there were still plenty of NES games kicking around. Being able to relive any and all of those retro classics with a simple download will be an amazing draw.

The only place being able to download games will 'lose' marketability is with this latest generation of wanna-be gamers. These are the jocks and the frat boys who run out and pick up a console just because they saw it on MTV. People who have no appreciation for the actual design and concepts that go into the game. If it doesn't have spraying blood, blazing guns or bouncing tits, they don't give a shit. But that's another rant for another time.

[Amadeus]

The problem with todays games is that most of them follow the tested recipe. Sure from time to time a inovative game appears (Warcraft 3), but later on at least thousands of its copies appear, some more succesfull (Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War) then others (Lords of Everquest). In the old days, there was a large diverstiy of games and lots of inovative titles (Chrono Trigger, Zelda, Final Fantasy etc.). Today however, there will be a thousand of games on the same topic just so the developers could squeeze some cash from it. Im not one of the big gamers, but I still think there was much more interesting titles in the past. Nice graphics dont make an interesting game. Thats why I have already found myself playing some old games. We can only hope the future will be better, but it doenst look like it.

[Raditzu]

Yeah... VJ got you on that one, Jackie.

Warcraft 2 was a pretty inovative game, for its time, but WC3 isn't anything special (where originality is concerned, anyway). On top of that, the Warhammer series of game has been around before anyone even thought of making Warcraft. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Warhamer was what inspired Warcraft.

The problem is not a lack of original games out there. The fact of the matter is that there are plenty of really imaginitive people with great ideas for awesome games. The problem is finding these games. 9 times out of 10 the really innovative games are done by some underground, indepedant, little company hoping to win the GDC Independant Game awards, or something like that. Without the money or presence of name to attracht the big name publishers, its hard to get any notice.

Here's a great example. Would Katamari Damacy have been as big a hit as it is if Namco hadn't been the publisher? Probably not. Would it sill have picked up those oddball gamers who would buy something like that on a whim? Most likely.

On top of all of that, this kind of problem isn't going to change. With the MTV bastardization that the industry is going through, the only games that get any notice are the ones published or developed by the guys who are already huge names in the industry, or the games whose only goal is to exploit the mainstream hype that everyone is buying into these days.

[Kami]

Taiko Drum Master

Need I say more?

[Raditzu]

Konga de Amigo?

Taiko Samba?

Amigo de Drum Master?

[Hellfighter 17]

Originally posted by Raditzu

Originally posted by Recoome
The 'download all last nintendo game' wont mean anything to the big time gamers

Then apparently you don't know who the 'big time gamers' are. The ones that are shelling out the big bucks are the 'older people' who actually have jobs and an income. These are the same people that were around during the golden age of gaming, when the SNES was at its prime and there were still plenty of NES games kicking around. Being able to relive any and all of those retro classics with a simple download will be an amazing draw.

The only place being able to download games will 'lose' marketability is with this latest generation of wanna-be gamers. These are the jocks and the frat boys who run out and pick up a console just because they saw it on MTV. People who have no appreciation for the actual design and concepts that go into the game. If it doesn't have spraying blood, blazing guns or bouncing tits, they don't give a shit. But that's another rant for another time.

I remember just playing the NES. I may not be that old, and it may have been years (nearly a decade), but those were good times. I have probably played the SNES more than I have any other system.

[Amadeus]

Originally posted by Raditzu
Yeah... VJ got you on that one, Jackie.

Warcraft 2 was a pretty inovative game, for its time, but WC3 isn't anything special (where originality is concerned, anyway). On top of that, the Warhammer series of game has been around before anyone even thought of making Warcraft. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Warhamer was what inspired Warcraft.

Your joking me, right? Warcraft was the first game to introduce RPG elements into a startegy. No game before had mixed other genres into a strategy. Basicly, W3 gave much more importance to heroes. They arent just a strong unit, they are vital in gameplay. They can use items, cast spells and develop much stronger. Warcraft 3 also had a much greater variety of units compared to Warcraft 2. Also, the story in W3 is one of the best I had the honor to get to know. Before W3, there was no game which mixed RPG with strategy. But after it, lots of copies appeared. Yes, including Dawn of War which appeared AFTER W3. However, like you said, Warhammer existed a long time before Warcraft was even though out, so it had lots of inovative sources from which they could pull the neccessary information. But the developers of DoW were skillfull enough to succesfully incorporate it all into a game, unlike Everquest who had lots of sources but failed miserably.

Now that I think about it, there was ONE game that did mix RPG and strategy. It was a SNES game, where flat yellow figures travelles across the map. Im sure one of you gaming veterans will remember its title. I cant, allthough I have played it. But still, the Blizzard team still had to be preety witty to incorporate RPG into Warcraft.

[Hellfighter 17]

If you want innovative you should play Call of Duty: Finest Hour. I haven't played that in a bit, but when "innovative" was said, it popped into my head.

[Raditzu]

The Hero system in WC3 is just an expansion of the NPCs from Starcraft. What they did in WC3 had already been done for SC with mods and custom maps and the like. And if you're talking about incorporating heros and vital characters into a strategy-style game, then FFT did it long before WC3. Romance of the Three Kingdoms also dabbled into the whole heros/strategy thing you're talking about.

Don't misunderstand. I'm not saying WC3 is a bad game, or anything along those lines. I play the game quite frequently, myself, but my enjoyment of the game is not about to make me say its something its not. Its very well done and quite enjoyable, but not a revolutionary cornerstone.

I'm going to rant a bit about what I just touched upon, mostly because I can and this has been bugging me for a bit now.

Watching people talk about video games on these forums is one of the most irritating things that I can actually do these days. When people about games, or systems, or developers, their comments and rationale for what they say is so teeming with unjustified bias that i makes me want to ram a fork through my eye. At least then reading some of these posts would be a lot better by comparison. Everyday you hear people saying blanket, unjustified, and ridiculous remarks like "X Box sucks" or "This game was way better than that game" and crap like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to people having their own opinions, but its irritating as hell when that opinion becomes justification for why you're right and anyone else is wrong, regardless of what they say.

Nevermind... I'm just going to stop.

[Ruhiel]

Well, I really don't have almighty video game knowledge like some of ya'll, but I do know some stuff about WC3, considering I was stuck playing it for over a year >.<

What I think Jackie was trying to say is that WC3 was the first game that went really IN DEPTH with the RPG part of the strategy. SC's little "hero" things, or whatever you wanna call em were more for just storyline purposes, and no one could ever use them. WC3 took it a step further and decided to make hero's gain power over time, and each had different abilities. So, I guess that could be innovative, so long as no other game before it did that.

But why are we analyzing video games anyways? Can't we just say, I like this game, you should try it, and be done with it?

[The Not Cool Not Tapion]

I like all these games. But you are right (whoever said it), most games nowadays are the same cliche storylines with little things different. I want something new and exciting.

[Raditzu]

Buy UD.

;_;

[The Not Cool Not Tapion]

What's UD?

[Krillin]

Originally posted by Furiza
Nintendo sucks. Shut up.

Ah, Furiza. Ever the sarcastic one. What he really means, folks, is that Nintendo fathered his children, after Atari did the rustled up the momma, and all Sony and Xbox is doing is riding the shockwave.

Nintendo will always hold a special place in my heart. My top three favorite licenses of all time belong to Nintendo (Mario, Zelda, and Harvest Moon). I will admit, DS must bow to the power of the PSP. I don't want to worry about a second screen. Just give me one screen, and let me do the stuff I've been doing.

I will, I will, I WILL be picking up the Nintendo Revolution. But, I won't be getting any of these new systems until they hit their second or third price drop. After the next-gen systems come out, I'm just gonna pick me up an Xbox, and start filling out all three of my system's libraries. Then, I'll start worrying about the next generation.

Missing out on Final Fantasy 13 and 14 on PS3 for awhile won't be sexy at all, though.

[Amadeus]

Originally posted by Vegeta Jr
Anyways, WCIII's Hero System is NOT innovative. It's an expansion of what was done before.

Where was it done before? I am 100% sure it wasnt like that in the previous Warcraft games since I played both of them.