Reminder

[Burter]

Next person who wants to be smartass in ANY thread by talking down Chubbs, is getting temp banned.

If you don't like how things are run, you are welcome to get the fuck out on your own

Taken from another thread, and stickied so you all know.

[Amadeus]

Well I certinly agree with that, but I also think that a person should be allowed to give out a critique if he feels things are not run the correct way. However, yes he must do it in a polite manner, not the "smartass" way.

[Burter]

Constructive Critism and 'Talking Down' are two different things.

We encourage the former

[Burter]

Well, we DO have a suggestions board for people to use politely

[Raditzu]

I think Super Buu just offered the most mature and reasonable method of going about things that is availible.

If you have a problem with a way run a particular thing here at CDBZ, there are a few things you need to look at before even bringing it up. First, and foremost, why you don't like it? If you have no solid reason for disliking a rule, and no real basis for argument, then please save everyone's time and don't bring it up. Second, what are you trying to accomplish? There are only two possible outcomes (assuming you followed my first point) of getting staff's attention about your not liking something. You're either trying to understand the rule, and want to know our reasoning for it, or you're trying to get it changed. If you're trying to get something changed, we move on to the last point: if you want something changed, come up with a better ruling about it before confronting us. Nothing is more annoying than an argument that sounds like this:

Person A: "tat rule iz sooooo stoopid!!11"

Admin: "Why shouldn't Saiyan's be able to transform?"

Person A: "becuz i dnt like tehm!!!!1"

Admin: "Well... how would you incorporate that to accomidate the entire RPG?"

Person A: "Durrrrr..."

Sounds pretty dumb, huh?

My whole point is, if you don't like something, that's perfectly fine. If you want to talk about it, or even borderline argue about it, that's usually ok, too. Just don't run out there with your eyes closed and your fists swinging. Think about it for a second before posting that you hate this entire RPG and all of the staff. Our rules are here for a reason, and have been the way they are for a long time. We're not just a bunch of idiots throwing together rules for the sake of having rules.

[Raditzu]

1. If you have something serious that needs to be addressed, don't post it on the asylum.

2. If Burter responds to something you ask, go ask another staff member about it. Frankly, I don't remember a single time where you've PMed or IMed me about a suggestion or complaint you've had. I'm not saying you haven't ever, mind you.

3. No one gives a flying fuck if you're black, so don't try pulling the racial card. I didn't even know you were black, and I can garauntee you it doesn't make a bit of difference here. If I ever found out that a staff member (or any member, really) was being an ass to someone else soley because of race, they would be banned so quickly it would make their head spin.

4. You seem to have a problem with my remarks about your 'banning'. I see a thread with a reply count climbing by the minute. That means one of two things. Either a ridiculous amount of spam, or an argument. Either way, it needs to be addressed. I get to the thread and see you acting like an asshole and going off about our "crap-ass management." Had I gotten around to it before Burter, I would have banned you myself. As personally as you may take anything we say, insults about our staff are taken equally seriously. We've spent a lot of our free time working over this site and monitoring the activity and OOC forums and so on and so forth. If you don't like the job we do, then you're free to pay us to do the job you want us to do. Until then, its just a matter of grinning and bearing.

You're post is a lot of "boo-hoo poor me", so you'll have to excuse me for perhaps not taking you as seriously as you would like. Everyone hears things from the staff that they don't like. However, you seem to be at particular odds with Burter (I'm not saying its your fault); to which I suggested going to someone else. Like I said, I'm pretty sure you've never come to me with problems about another staff member or something that you needed to have someone talk seriously about. And I'd be if you've talked to Reijin about it, as he doesn't make a habit of giving out his screen name.

Anyway, from my point of view, it just looks like you've been bowing out and taking shit from Burter. You mentioned me a couple of times, but you seem to have more of a problem with the way I do things than me actually causing you problems. Since you haven't really done anything about it, nor taken obvious steps to stem whatever problems the two of you have, I don't find myself with a great deal of sympathy for you after your little outburst.

[Old Dave]

Well put Furiza...

[Krillin]

Originally posted by Uub
Well put Furiza...

[Raditzu]

I never said you were attacking me personally, nor do I feel attacked in any way, shape, or form. It simply sounded like you had some kind of problem with me. Doesn't bother if you do, I get that a lot. However, misquoting what I said in a manner that reflects sub-par intelligence and using a nick-name, of sorts, in what sounded to be a derogitory fashion would certainly make one think that you weren't thrilled about their existance.

Like I said before, I haven't seen you take any steps to stem these problems you with whoever it is you're having them with. If you had, for example, PM or IMed me about that serious topic, or drawn someone else's attention to it (I know 18, for example, would have done the same thing I would have) someone would have kept Burter and Furiza from doing whatever it was that they did to it. If you need a thread taken seriously, tell someone ahead of time. We can make sure people don't piss all over it.

Originally posted by Reccome
Well, I was the only person who had 'contested' it being lowered it value. So that leads me to believe that there is something more to the staff here at Chubbs. Perhaps it is that Im black and my attitude isnt all 'yo, yo, wadup ho!' like most of the sterotypes about African American culture I have read about here would lead you to believe.

If you didn't pull a race card, then what the hell is that. I take accusations of being racist very seriously. I certainly don't appreciate you insinuating the staff might be holding some sort of racial agenda. You say you didn't mean it that way, though, so I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I'm still not exactly sure what it is you want, or are trying to achieve. You're making a lot of accusations, and not really asking too much. "To be treated with respect if you're expected to give it" is the only thing I've really been able to pin down.

[Raditzu]

Just thought I'd add that, if you're waiting for Burter, Recoome, that he won't be back until Tuesday.

[Reijin]

Haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but holy shit. How would being black mean anything here? This isn't the uptight whitey brigade, this is CDBZ. We are Americans, Canadians, Australians, psuedo-Japanese (Samy), wooden shoe wearing Dutch (Jeroen), 13 year olds, 36 year olds, college students, former wrestlers, middle schoolers, punks, hardcore rockers, jpop enthusiasts, rappers, crackers, wiggers, indians, jews, catholics, wanna-be-popes, SUPERPOPE, COCA COLA BEAR, gays, lesbians, straight people, bisexuals, stoners, cutters, straightedgers, dorks, jocks, writers, masochists, bi-polar, and the criminally insane.

So I think you fit in regardless.

Unless you are a Brit.

[Hellfighter 17]

Originally posted by Furiza
I come here for fun. Is it so wrong that I don't want other people's problems piled up on top of mine when I go somewhere to escape them?

in which case, forgive me for being human.

Then don't reply? Is that so hard? You probably do that to at least fifty other threads on this board a week, ten in the asylum, so when somebody is posting something non-spam, you take that as a sign to post spam? I'm sorry, but all humans aren't exactly like that. I know I've spammed in serious topics, maybe even insulted the person, doesn't mean that I will now--looking back (not necassarily in this circumstance, in general)--defend it, as you are doing so.

I know you and others come here for fun, but must you retard others from having fun? 'Cause you just complained that that's what he does when he "whines," yet you would do the same thing. Burtah should have called you a hyrpocrit and mean it.

When I talked to Recoome yesterday, he said not to say anything, 'cause I might "lose respect" of what I have. At first I was surprised to hear that I do have it, but if I don't, then there is no need for some snappy comment just for that because you wnat to fill space, but I told him that I don't want respect from people who I believe shouldn't have it themselves.

I admit, Recoome didn't go about the proper way of doing this, but he is doing something now, which I believe is mainly to get it out there for the whole RPG to see, which I actually recommended doing, after talking to a staff, but he was going to do it anyway. If you think that was wrong of me to do so, then say. If you think I have very unverifiable claims, then please say so, 'cause I'm all up for your rebuttle, and to see the reasonings for it.

EDIT: I believe that Recoome was just trying to accent the point that he doesn't know why he receives such unwanted and random assaults against him, so that he may receive a real answer.

Oh, and Furiza, I told him to highlight that fact of the update. I expected it to be in a more fashionable, but meh.

[Krillin]

I'm going to stay out of this for the most part, but I did feel inclined to tell you, HF17, that the proper spelling is "hypocrite". Hyrpocrit sounds like some kind of herpes genitalis medication.

[Raditzu]

Originally posted by Hell Fighter 17
EDIT: I believe that Recoome was just trying to accent the point that he doesn't know why he receives such unwanted and random assaults against him, so that he may receive a real answer.

If that's the case, and I'll wait for Recoome to verify, then he needs to take it up with that person(s) individually. From what Recoome has said so far, the only staff member that he has had repeated problems with is Burter. I will aboslutely not let this turn into a personal forum for the two to argue in. If Rec needs to take something up with Burter, then he's going to have to find another way to do it. IMs or PMs are a perfect way to resolving personal issues.

Recoome, unless you have anything else to bring up, that can justifiably be brought before the entirety of the RPG, then I'm locking this thread.

People can still reply to this, by the way.

[Hellfighter 17]

Okay now: you are pretty off-base here, Freezy. I seriously do not have a "grudge" or anything of the matter for anyoen on teh RPG, to tell the truth. I become frustrated/angered/intolerable or whatever towards somebody on the RPG when something like this arises. Such as yesterday I wanted to confront Rad after I found out about this, but Recoome said he wnate dto say something in here first, so I let him, and now today that "anger" or whatever is now gone and I believe that Rad was just joking, it may have been badly placed, but his reasoning for it I think makes enough sense.

I have been angered at you in the past, but it doesn't fester as you think, and that whole post wasn't directed towards just you, it was more general than how you made it sound. You just happened to be one of the people who posted in this, and I wanted to join this discussion, so I'm not supposed to direct anything towards an opposer of this "arguement"?

Respect? I only want respect from people who I respect. In my opinion you don't deserve respect fro some of your actions, others may think otherwise, good for them for forming their own opinion.

Abuse? Somebody once described abuse to me as having effects on me that will last forever, and believe me; I sincerely doubt that you will cause that.

[Old Dave]

Wow Guys, let's just put everything into simple word's here. This is a game, a game for everyone to enjoy, if you don't like what goes on here you don't have to be here. If you have problems with your life I and many others are willing to help you in anyway that we can. Point being that if you can't enjoy yourself here go outside and play, or do something constructive with your life. Now I'm not putting chubbs down, I enjoy this place and like interacting with you all...but select few people need to grow up and not take everything written as a damn insult. Never should this place be the center of your life and never should anything here impact your life to the point were you need to become angry or depressed.

This is my opinion, not an insult toward anyone, not a foundation to start an argument, just an opinion of a lowly member.

And if I could I'd lock this thread...but I can't so please let's stop the arguing and get back to what we do best here, screw around and get away from our lives.

[Tobias]

Geez people, I stopped caring so much a long time ago. I remeber when freeze made me angry, I also remember when (off site, now) someone would yell at me insult me and I would actually care. I was also clinically depressed at the time. What I learned to do is not give a flying fuck about things unless they mattered.

An RPG doesnt matter that much.

Not enough that you 'outa be losing sleep over it any how.

I know it may matter to some people, but really now, unless you have to live with (insert person that pisses you off over the internet) I dont see how thier opinions are going to affect your life.

Edit: Uub-man, lets go make children.

[Reijin]

Ok, you people fucking disgust me sometimes. Grow up.

*locked*

[Burter]

I notice Recoome said a lot of examples but ways I mistreated him before I was staff. Just remember, before I was staff. Before I was staff, I didn't have to give an example. I didn't have to go out of my way to be nice.

If anyone else has a problem with me, PM me politely. IM me. Something other then "this crap ass management."

This all started when you, Recoome, jumped into a fight without asking. Now last time I checked, WE ALWAYS ASKED FIRST.

And by the way, Recoome, for the complete and total record, next time I catch you putting anyone down, staff or member, without coming to them directly, I'm banning you. Forever. I'm beyond your shit and you IMing me apologizing just to get unbanned.

[Burter]

Whoa.

Recoome is black?

o_O